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Breakfast Cereals

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I've been advised by my consultant to cut out breakfast cereals as I always get a spike followed by a quick drop to hypo after eating them. The problem is I LOVE my cereal in the mornings. Are there any cereals out there that any of you have found don't cause a massive spike? She said porridge would be ok and I like that but don't want it everyday. The recommendation was carbs and protein but I'm not a big eater at breakfast so would rather exhaust the cereal possibilities first.
 
Quick answer... none of the nice ones!

You might try Grape-Nuts - you don't need much (10g is enough for me) sprinkled on yogurt and berries. Stays crunchy.
 
Cereal is a nightmare. I find adding a small handful of nuts (almonds, brazils etc) to a bowl of cereal such as Special K or porridge helps to reduce the spike. The added fat from the nuts slows the absorbtion of the carbs.

Also, I tend to bolus at least 30mins before eating cereal, that helps reduce the spike a bit too.
 
All cereals are essentially just a bowl of sugar (that's all that grain is, biologically speaking) so I think you'll find it very hard to avoid a spike with these foods. A better bet would be either portion control (ie small portion of cereal), or it might be time to look at alternatives. These don't need to be heavy - you might do much better with a piece of toast (not with marmalade or jam though!), or something like yoghurt.

Personally I always prefer to go for fat and protein in the morning with a very, very small bolus - it's much more manageable that way. So a handful of nuts can be good (I like pistachios and peanuts). Or depending on time, you could have a boiled egg or an omelette. And don't be afraid to try non-traditional breakfast foods - a regular go-to staple snack of mine for any time of the day is ham, salami or chorizo wrapped in a slice of edam.
 
Thanks everyone, some things to try, and think about. It's a shame that there isn't a decent breakfast cereal out there that is not full of sugar!

Will bolus a while before breakfast tomorrow and then start trying the alternative breakfasts when I next go shopping!
 
I eat All Bran and Weetabix Crunchy Bran - both are relatively good for you and you can put some fruit in it to mix it up (the cereal balances out the higher GI of any fruit you add). Don't know All Bran off heart but 35g of crunchy bran is 20g CHO.
 
It's a shame that there isn't a decent breakfast cereal out there that is not full of sugar!

It's nothing to do with whether sugar is added or not. Cereal is made from wheat, a carbohydrate. All carbohydrates break down to sugar in the blood. Even something like shredded wheat, which has no added sugar, has around 40g of carbs in it per portion.

To put that in context, a Mars Bar also has 40g of carbs, so effectively, there's little difference in blood sugar terms between eating a Mars Bar or a bowl of Shredded Wheat for breakfast. Granted, the Shredded Wheat will take slightly longer to hit your blood sugar, but not by much.
 
Cereal is a nightmare. I find adding a small handful of nuts (almonds, brazils etc) to a bowl of cereal such as Special K or porridge helps to reduce the spike. The added fat from the nuts slows the absorbtion of the carbs.

Also, I tend to bolus at least 30mins before eating cereal, that helps reduce the spike a bit too.

I can vouch for Alisons advice here - It certainly works for me + I keep small portions max 15 - 20 G carbs of cereal. If im hungry Ill top up with a side of raspberries or something like that.
 
It's nothing to do with whether sugar is added or not. Cereal is made from wheat, a carbohydrate. All carbohydrates break down to sugar in the blood. Even something like shredded wheat, which has no added sugar, has around 40g of carbs in it per portion.

To put that in context, a Mars Bar also has 40g of carbs, so effectively, there's little difference in blood sugar terms between eating a Mars Bar or a bowl of Shredded Wheat for breakfast. Granted, the Shredded Wheat will take slightly longer to hit your blood sugar, but not by much.

Yes, technically the mars bar and bowl of cereal may have the same amount of carbs in grams, but the effect it has on your blood sugar is in fact VERY different. Shredded wheat will take a LOT longer to hit your blood, not slightly longer, as you suggest, by comparison. A mars bar will peak in your system and be out within about 1 1/2hrs, causing your sugar levels to spike drastically then drop equally as drastically. A bowl of shredded wheat however will cause a very gradual rise, over a few hours, and have a subsequent very gradual drop, being out of your system by about 3-4 hours.

This is because the molecules of carbs in mars bar (being 'simple') take a lot less time to break down and be transported round your body, whereas the molecules in shredded wheat are 'complex' by comparison and take longer to break down.
 
I've been advised by my consultant to cut out breakfast cereals as I always get a spike followed by a quick drop to hypo after eating them. The problem is I LOVE my cereal in the mornings. Are there any cereals out there that any of you have found don't cause a massive spike? She said porridge would be ok and I like that but don't want it everyday. The recommendation was carbs and protein but I'm not a big eater at breakfast so would rather exhaust the cereal possibilities first.

most cereals are out for me too.......but two cereals that don't spike me are porridge (proper porridge....not the microwave rubbish) and Cheerios (multi grain)...give them a go, you never know! And they are quite nice 🙂
 
I still pretty much stand by my conclusion that All Cereal Is Evil

Burgen toast for me - even with a decent amount of marmalade etc gives me far less problem.

However, if you are stuggling to wean yourself off, one of the 'least worst' for me was Dorset Cereals no-added sugar muesli (the 'nutty' one). Still a hefty kick from the raisins etc, but a slightly lower carb load because of the higher nut content. Eating it with full fat yoghurt slowed the carbs a little.

Oh and +1 to injecting early. This is especially important for me at breakfast time.
 
Shredded wheat will take a LOT longer to hit your blood, not slightly longer, as you suggest, by comparison. A mars bar will peak in your system and be out within about 1 1/2hrs, causing your sugar levels to spike drastically then drop equally as drastically. A bowl of shredded wheat however will cause a very gradual rise, over a few hours, and have a subsequent very gradual drop, being out of your system by about 3-4 hours.

Actually this varies from person to person - and in any case, I've certainly found that healthcare professional massively overstate how 'gradual' a rise is. There is a lot of nonsense from dieticians about how wonderful and gradual complex carbs are for keeping your blood sugar steady whereas anyone who's eaten a baguette sandwich can probably testify to just how un-gradual and how sky-high steady a complex carb can be.

If I eat bowl of shredded wheat, in 30 minutes my blood sugar will strike from 5.0 to 12.0 and then gradually comes down over four hours, provided I've bolused enough. The ONLY way I've found that keeps my blood sugar steady and in a sensible range is to scale back on both complex and simple carbohydrates. Of course, everyone is different.

I appreciate there are crucial differences between sweets and cereals but I'm trying to illustrate that the belief in sugar is the problem is wrong. Everyone with diabetes needs to understand that there's no such thing as good or bad carbs (ie sugar = bad, wheat = good). There are only carbs whose digestion profile matches your insulin action profile, and those that don't. In my experience, very few types of carbs match neatly with the way insulin works in me. Certainly bread, potatoes, cereal and pasta don't for me, although rice and noodles, interestingly, do.
 
Yes, technically the mars bar and bowl of cereal may have the same amount of carbs in grams, but the effect it has on your blood sugar is in fact VERY different. Shredded wheat will take a LOT longer to hit your blood, not slightly longer, as you suggest, by comparison. A mars bar will peak in your system and be out within about 1 1/2hrs, causing your sugar levels to spike drastically then drop equally as drastically. A bowl of shredded wheat however will cause a very gradual rise, over a few hours, and have a subsequent very gradual drop, being out of your system by about 3-4 hours.

This is because the molecules of carbs in mars bar (being 'simple') take a lot less time to break down and be transported round your body, whereas the molecules in shredded wheat are 'complex' by comparison and take longer to break down.

I suspect that Deus picked a Mars bar quite deliberately. Sugary, yes, but the high fat content in chocolate slows down the absorption of the sugar (which is only half glucose anyway, and reasonably slowly absorbed).

Sydney university GI info

Shredded wheat: GI 67
http://www.glycemicindex.com/foodSearch.php?num=857&ak=detail

Mars Bar: GI 62
http://www.glycemicindex.com/foodSearch.php?num=1727&ak=detail

So the Mars bar is, when averaged across 10 people, more slowly absorbed under lab conditions.

Instinctively it might not make any sense... and yes we are continually told how slowly absorbed 'brown things' are. But unfortunately (and counter-intuitively) it just doesn't stack up when you examine the effects on people's BG in a lab.
 
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Just dug up an old article which I found very interesting about the whole 'wholewheat' thing. Goes into a bit of detail about the way wheat is made up (which is particularly easy for us to digest it seems...)

In fact, in my view, there is virtually no difference from a blood sugar standpoint between whole grain bread and cookies: It's all the same. It does not mean that chocolate chip cookies are good for you; it means that both bread and cookies have equal blood sugar implications.

http://www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/c/7986/112680/carbohydrates
 
accept your point that all people are different but white bread - particularly baguette bread - is not a complex carb! it is a very refined 'simple' carb and one of the most refined carbs in the bread 'family'.

complex carbs are those found in wholegrains, lentils, raw 'unrefined' cereals (not cereals as in Crunchy Nute etc but oats, bran, wheat etc) etc - as I said, ones that take longer to break down. Ie those with a low GI value (which is why medical bodies recently are starting to advocate diabetics eating low GI carbs, rather than their mantra of years ago that diabetics need to eat lots of carbs full stop).
 
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Mike - interesting about the testing done on wheat. I eat very little wheat anyway as I'm quite wheat intolerant and don't like the side effects! But when I tried a bowl of fruitful shredded wheat a while ago I found that didn't keep me full up at all - suggesting that it's relatively simple carbs (as the tests suggest).
 
I'm not sure I agree, sorry.

Bread and cereal are both the same 'complex' carb - starch. And starch metabolises to glucose very quickly. If you lick a piece of bread (of any colour) or potato, within five minutes, the area you lick will smell sweet because the amylase in saliva breaks down starch to glucose. In other words, the conversion process to glucose begins before you even swallow the food!

The difference is whether you are eating grains in their raw form - they obviously have a fibrous shell which slows down their digestion. But in foods like cereal or bread, these are processed, thus breaking down the shell. Eating wheat seeds is one thing. Eating Shredded Wheat is quite another.

I take on board the point that foods with a higher fibre content (say, wholemeal bread, all-bran) will generally have lower GIs but in my personal experience, a slightly higher level of fibre doesn't make a substantial difference to the end result on my blood sugar. Fruit is low GI, technically, but my experience with many supposedly low-GI fruits tells me that low GI does not necessarily indicate being easier on blood sugar.

This may not be the case for everyone, so the central point is that if your food has had any sort of preparation and contains carbohydrates of any kind, you need to test and see its effect on you - you cannot safely assume that because something is low-GI, wholegrain or 'brown' that it will always be better for you than a 'white' alternative.
 
I'm not sure I agree, sorry.

Bread and cereal are both the same 'complex' carb - starch. And starch metabolises to glucose very quickly. If you lick a piece of bread (of any colour) or potato, within five minutes, the area you lick will smell sweet because the amylase in saliva breaks down starch to glucose. In other words, the conversion process to glucose begins before you even swallow the food!

The difference is whether you are eating grains in their raw form - they obviously have a fibrous shell which slows down their digestion. But in foods like cereal or bread, these are processed, thus breaking down the shell. Eating wheat seeds is one thing. Eating Shredded Wheat is quite another.

I take on board the point that foods with a higher fibre content (say, wholemeal bread, all-bran) will generally have lower GIs but in my personal experience, a slightly higher level of fibre doesn't make a substantial difference to the end result on my blood sugar. Fruit is low GI, technically, but my experience with many supposedly low-GI fruits tells me that low GI does not necessarily indicate being easier on blood sugar.

This may not be the case for everyone, so the central point is that if your food has had any sort of preparation and contains carbohydrates of any kind, you need to test and see its effect on you - you cannot safely assume that because something is low-GI, wholegrain or 'brown' that it will always be better for you than a 'white' alternative.

Lol im going to lick some food later!!

Hvae to agree on the mars bars etc though, I dont spike really off chocolates like mars's in comparison to cereals by themselves. The fat in the mars bar help even out the curves. Thats why they are no good for me when correcting a low.

However we are all different... Some people dont suffer the horrendous delayed spikes that I do after eating fatty meals, Lucky them! However I can eat a mars bar and other chocolates and not spike so bad... Lucky me!!
 
What I really want RIGHT NOW is a huge bowl of Crunchy Nut Cornflakes... good thing I'm too lazy to go out and get some!!! :D
 
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