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Been on very low carb, now told to eat bread - arrgh! :/

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Losing weight might be the key for people who are overweight - but not much help if you don't need to loose it so simply need to replace the calories they do need to cut down on in the carbs they consume, because they are diabetic. A too high protein diet isn't healthy - and there's not enough cals in an awful lot of veg to do it without eating half a ton of it. Hence - the simplest way to get em back is with a bit of fat.
 
trophywench said:
Would you go to a diabetes consultant to find out about Radiotherapy, or an ENT one to enquire about your waterworks? I am baffled as to why your diabetes is anything to do with Radiology. If you need more help with it and you most likely do because ANY concurrent illness condition and certain drugs can all have an effect on the blood glucose levels - in fact longterm use of some drugs can even cause diabetes!

Do you actually see an expert about your D or is your advice solely from your GP surgery where there are NO experts - that's exactly why their name is General practice. I don't deny they know one hell of a lot about all sorts of things - but just aren't experts and are not even supposed to be.

Whoever you happen to see about your D - or anything else - you are 100% entitled to request a second opinion.
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Because the Radiologist advised me that my sugars would naturally go up whilst having the treatment, I did not go to her for a diabetes meeting! Radiotherapy makes your sugars go through the roof, mine were whilst having the treatment and nothing for love nor money would get them down, or the actual diabetic clinic did not give me much else in the way of support whilst I was having it. I thought it was easy to understand and cannot for the life for me fathom out why you seem to think I asked my Radiologist for diabetes advice because I did not!

I have mentioned my Diabetic clinic which is run by the nhs and they are the supposed specialists or experts, I do not take any advice from my gp, where did you get that from?

I can categorically tell you 100% that the supposed specialist dietitian from the NHS Diabetes clinic told me to have porridge, bread and other such carbs, now the diabetic clinic in Kettering are also telling me I must eat some carbs and that taking advice off you folks on the internet is not recognised, I keep saying this yet nobody listens, I might as well smash my head against a brick wall. I am seeing NHS specialists and they are the ones giving me the advice, why do you all think I am coming over here online and asking... because I am sick to death of all the misinformation given to me.
 
Oh - I have never had my serum chol measured frequently enough to detect a spike or a dip - same as sporadic HBA1c tests never show either spikes or troughs. We have to test our blood several times a day, to have a bash at working out which particular thing caused the glitch in BG.

Even my T2 forum friend, with a dicky heart valve and familial hyperchol, when the cardiac consultant she's been seeing for decades tested it 3 monthly leading up to her valve replacement op, didn't want it more frequently and soon went back to the 6 monthly intervals thereafter.
 
They test me every three months for HBA1c though I am not sure that counts as sporadic, the latest request is for me to test 4 times per day now, I had in the past tested more than this but they told me It was not at all necessary and that morning and evenings were the most important. I only eat twice daily only I cannot usually eat breakfast, maybe after being up for 4-5 hrs.
 
I did have my cholesterol measured as an actual reaction to my diet.
And I can state, my cholesterol in the reality of real measurement, it tracked my saturated fat intake.
Saturated fat sucked.
 
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What is real experience? I have been tested every 3 months for the last 4 years, If you read back I did say beforehand I managed my diabetes by diet for almost 3 years and never had high cholesterol and my HBA1c were always below 50, I stated that I have never been within normal range since a year or so ago when I had Ketacidosis.

I do eat barely anything I used to which includes oats and wheat based products, lactose free milk nowadays, and boiled or poached eggs with olives and sardines in brine for breakfast most of the time- but like I keep saying, I cannot eat when I wake up, that is just wrong, yukk.
 
Melwest said:
What is real experience? I have been tested every 3 months for the last 4 years, If you read back I did say beforehand I managed my diabetes by diet for almost 3 years and never had high cholesterol and my HBA1c were always below 50, I stated that I have never been within normal range since a year or so ago when I had Ketacidosis.

I do eat barely anything I used to which includes oats and wheat based products, lactose free milk nowadays, and boiled or poached eggs with olives and sardines in brine for breakfast most of the time- but like I keep saying, I cannot eat when I wake up, that is just wrong, yukk.
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That is the way to go.
Keep doing what works!
 
If you weigh 20stone its like putting a blanket over your car engine & expecting it run right ?
 
I have never been anything like that weight suggested though I have been 4 stone over, now I am currently two and it is dropping.
 
Melwest said:
Because the Radiologist advised me that my sugars would naturally go up whilst having the treatment, I did not go to her for a diabetes meeting! Radiotherapy makes your sugars go through the roof, mine were whilst having the treatment and nothing for love nor money would get them down, or the actual diabetic clinic did not give me much else in the way of support whilst I was having it. I thought it was easy to understand and cannot for the life for me fathom out why you seem to think I asked my Radiologist for diabetes advice because I did not!

I have mentioned my Diabetic clinic which is run by the nhs and they are the supposed specialists or experts, I do not take any advice from my gp, where did you get that from?

I can categorically tell you 100% that the supposed specialist dietitian from the NHS Diabetes clinic told me to have porridge, bread and other such carbs, now the diabetic clinic in Kettering are also telling me I must eat some carbs and that taking advice off you folks on the internet is not recognised, I keep saying this yet nobody listens, I might as well smash my head against a brick wall. I am seeing NHS specialists and they are the ones giving me the advice, why do you all think I am coming over here online and asking... because I am sick to death of all the misinformation given to me.
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I am as bewildered as you about the advice from the NHS - diabetes is an inability to cope with carbs - cut the carbs and diabetes is just gone - no problems. Type twos trying to eat carbs is like putting the wrong fuel into your car - it is not going to end well.
I got my blood glucose to normal levels and then lost weight without even trying - weight is a consequence of glucose problems, not the cause of them.
 
Drummer said:
I am as bewildered as you about the advice from the NHS - diabetes is an inability to cope with carbs - cut the carbs and diabetes is just gone - no problems. Type twos trying to eat carbs is like putting the wrong fuel into your car - it is not going to end well.
I got my blood glucose to normal levels and then lost weight without even trying - weight is a consequence of glucose problems, not the cause of them.
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Is that true for every diabetic?
 
travellor said:
Is that true for every diabetic?
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For a high percentage of us, yes - an increase or decrease in weight when diet remains the same should surely flag up 'test for diabetes'.

I just wish that tests other than for glucose in urine had been done for me far earlier - though as I was often low carbing it might not have been shown up - just my problem always being unable to eat carbs without putting on weight very quickly should have set off alarm bells, but no - being fat was always my own sinful behaviour. I read my notes once when the doctor was called out of the room - really sneering comments about my weight and refusal to stick to diets and take exercise.
 
Hyperinsulinema (sp?) - discuss, LOL
 
I wasn't suggesting it was actually funny - but that those who don't understand that condition (like most of the tabloids, recently) should read up about it and discover that merely having Type 2 diabetes can cause weight gain of itself without the person themselves having any input into it whatever. Then apologise to whoever it applies to!
 
trophywench said:
I wasn't suggesting it was actually funny - but that those who don't understand that condition (like most of the tabloids, recently) should read up about it and discover that merely having Type 2 diabetes can cause weight gain of itself without the person themselves having any input into it whatever. Then apologise to whoever it applies to!
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I'll take your apology.
It's not always easy looking into type 2.
 
Drummer said:
I just wish that tests other than for glucose in urine had been done for me far earlier - though as I was often low carbing it might not have been shown up - just my problem always being unable to eat carbs without putting on weight very quickly should have set off alarm bells, but no - being fat was always my own sinful behaviour. I read my notes once when the doctor was called out of the room - really sneering comments about my weight and refusal to stick to diets and take exercise.
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I'm not surprised. The one time I saw a diabetes dietitian, I happened to be drinking a milkshake (because I thought I had more time until the appointment than I actually did😳), and took care to point out to her that I only have that sort of thing as an occasional treat. Evidently neither she nor the two students also in the room listened to a word I said, because by the time the interview was written up, my statement had mysteriously morphed into "I stuff myself constantly with cakes and biscuits". 😡😱🙄 Needless to say, I thus had zero confidence in her, and didn't bother to turn up to the follow-up appointment.
 
Diabetes is a complex issue. We are all different in our journey. I have familial diabetes & knew I was not going to escape as mother and grandmother have/had it. Some are people are overweight and another friend of mine is stick thin, struggles to put any weight on whether eating carbs, fats or any diet and yet has type 2.
It would be good if we could all respect each other’s opinions and way of managing. Some of the posts, particularly around Christmas time, castigating folk for eating a single after eight mint, don’t seem helpful. By all means, offer suggestions and encouragement but ‘my way is the only way’ doesn’t seem right to me.
 
Sally W said:
Diabetes is a complex issue. We are all different in our journey. I have familial diabetes & knew I was not going to escape as mother and grandmother have/had it. Some are people are overweight and another friend of mine is stick thin, struggles to put any weight on whether eating carbs, fats or any diet and yet has type 2.
It would be good if we could all respect each other’s opinions and way of managing. Some of the posts, particularly around Christmas time, castigating folk for eating a single after eight mint, don’t seem helpful. By all means, offer suggestions and encouragement but ‘my way is the only way’ doesn’t seem right to me.
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The more recent findings from researchers are saying it is a range of conditions, which need to be treated in a variety of ways. In other words one size does not fit all.
 
robert@fm said:
... because by the time the interview was written up, my statement had mysteriously morphed into "I stuff myself constantly with cakes and biscuits".
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That is diabolical! 😡
 
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