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Back after a terrible few weeks qith more questions

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No need to be sad @Autumn2020, either your sweet tooth will go or you will be able to indulge occasionally when your weight is under control, and you'll enjoy it all the more as a lovely treat. My son (who could get through a box of 4 iced donuts and a box of quality street in one sitting) has been off sweet stuff after being diagnosed with T2 3 or 4 years ago. I bought a small chocolate cake on his birthday in June as a special treat. He had one slice and we froze the rest in portions. He asked the other day if it would still be ok to eat when defrosted. I said yes, did he want a slice and he said not at the moment. He's forgotten about it since then.

Trust me, if my son can forget about eating sweet things, anyone can.

As for getting back on the wagon, yes, it can feel almost impossible sometimes, but you know you can do it so keep persevering. Best wishes to you x

Hi, thank you for your reply. I totally agree and in the first few weeks of eating well, I dis get to a point where I wasnt thinking about the sweet stuff on a night then I let myself slip and now all the cravings are back. I also ran out of test strips which I think didn't help as I was being silly and maybe thinking because I didn't have them to test that I could sneak the odd treat in and just not think about it. I have started back on plan again and have more strips so fingers crossed I can keep things going. I have just enjoyed a bowl of porridge with seeds and strawberrys so hopefully my reading comes back OK as porridge keeps me full..thank you again for your reply. Xx
 
@Autumn2020 Small is off to uni in a couple of weeks. There’s been a lot put into place, it’s mostly going to be online now, and she will only be going in for lab work. All clubs and fresher week activities are now online too, unless they can be outside, and I believe the campus accommodation is now in study bubbles as much as is possible.

If it’s anything like what’s been implemented at the local schools it will be very thorough!

Hi Madeline

Thank you for your reply. Our Uni is the same and I do think the majority will be online so that has put my mind at ease, its just the going in part, I don't drive either so will have to get a taxi to get there which is always super worrying. I am 32 with two young children so all the freshes stuff doesn't bother me and I won't be using accommodation, so it is literally just the few hours in and the taxi ride there. I might just carry a can off dettol for the taxi handles and seats xx
 
Hi, @Autumn2020 🙂

I’ve been diabetic for almost 20 years: diagnosed at 29; now a few months off my 49th. birthday! In that time I’ve gone through a lot of phases & battles concerning food! I remember the first thing I thought upon getting the news that I’m diabetic was “Oh no! I can never eat chocolate cake again!”: I loved chocolate cake, chocolate anything, & sweet things; I’d been getting more & more ill in the run up to my diagnosis, had pretty much stopped eating & was actually getting by on drinking Lucozade for energy! This would have been years before the recipe change because of the Sugar Tax & was actually used by hospitals & health centres etc. to treat hypos as it has so much sugar & glucose in it!

One of the first changes I made was change from using sugar to using Artificial Sweeteners & quickly got used to that super sweet taste with a bit of an aftertaste! And that is, in a nutshell, the problem I found with them! They’re very often much sweeter than sugar with virtually no calories! Over the years I found that I was eating more things with sweeteners in it & eating more calories overall as well while I battled gains in weight, dieting, regain the weight & it was always a struggle between the two!

I finally turned a corner at the end of Jan./beginning of Feb. 2018 when I started losing weight steadily, 1/4 stone every week, & was having a series of hypos when, seemingly all of a sudden, my insulin needs were more than halved by the time I’d reduced my insulin doses enough to stop having hypos.

It was because in May 2017 I read a post posted on my Health Centre’s Facebook page about the problems of Artificial Sweeteners that fool your brain into making you eat more. The article posted postulated the theory that the brain associates a certain amount of calories to everything you eat according to how sweet it tastes. With sweeteners actually tasting sweeter than sugar it expects more calories but, sweeteners are virtually calorie free so, there’s a huge deficit that confuses the brain thinking there’s so many calories that have gone missing & sends out signals to make you eat more calorie rich foods to make that up. That starts a cycle whereby the more sweeteners you consume, the greater the deficit your brain perceives & the more calories you end up eating! The article pointed out how a lot of people drinking diet drinks & eating sugar free things also, contrarily, ate very fattening high calories food as well. After reading that, it was like a lightbulb had been switched on in my head & I went “Cold Turkey”, chucking out everything in my house that had sweeteners in it & carefully reading labels to not buy anything with them in it.

It didn’t happen overnight but, slowly over time, so slowly that I actually didn’t notice, I went from eating over 4500 calories a day to eating about 1500 calories a day by the beginning of 2018: I sat down writing out what I used to eat back in May 2017, working out the calories, & what I was then eating in that last week of January & start of February 2018! When I did that I realised I’d gone from drinking 4 2 litres bottles of Coke Zero a week & eating oven baked things in batter, pies, roast potatoes, chips, potato crisps, biscuits & sugar free desserts etc. to things like steamed fish, my own home made vegetable soups, steamed vegetables & a lot less potatoes of any kind & actually taking honey or real sugar in my tea! I just stopped craving certain foods without the sweeteners in my diet & naturally gravitated to other things without feeling hungry!

Because that was the thing: I always seemed to feel hungry no matter how much I ate before I cut out the sweeteners in my diet; ended up eating almost constantly when awake & I couldn’t differentiate separate meals anymore! So, basically injected insulin every 2 hours as I couldn't wait 4 hours between meals like I’m supposed to: I was eating about every 2 hours!

I still read labels carefully & don’t take any sweeteners if I can help it: manufacturers sneak in sweeteners now into things that never used to have them because of The Sugar Tax!

I’m not a saint, never was & still not now, & I do crave things sometimes but, I have a little real sweetness in my diet every day from real sugar. I just add a bit more insulin when I indulge. I don’t binge anymore like I did in the past: craved something & resisted without the craving going away; then, resistance crumbles & I binge on whatever I craved!

I also found a new balance of taste in my cooking. I’m Chinese & there’s quite a lot of sugars in Chinese cooking than you might think: flavours are balanced & there’s often just as much sugar added as there is salt; hot flavours are also, balanced with sweetness too! But, by adding less seasoning you can find a new balance of flavours. The seasoning I actually use the most is black pepper: for more aromatic flavour; rather than the heat of white pepper. I usually don’t use any salt in cooking unless I want to bring out the natural sweetness in something. That natural sweetness can be brought out with just a little salt without adding any sugar. There’s a Chinese rhyme that translates to: for natural sweetness; add salt. But, it’s only just enough for the sweetness to come through: too much & it becomes salty; too salty & you need sugar to balance it out!

Herbs I find really helps to add more flavour to food without more seasoning. While the Chinese use a lot of spices, generally, in cooking; herbs are not used very often. But, I find that dried mixed herbs, I like Schwartz, really add something to a lot of dishes that then don’t need so much seasoning. So, I actually go for, & have, more flavour in my cooking now & less seasoning!

My tastebuds can, & have been, re-educated so, I enjoy it more when I DO have the few sweet things. I went from only eating sweet milk chocolate to eating high cocoa mass dark chocolate. Started off with the industry standard of 70% & it DID seem bitter at first but, got used to it & it actually gives a better chocolate high or hit! Then, slowly worked my way up to what I find still gives me the chocolate hit without it tasting too bitter: I like 85% now; other members‘ posts I’ve read have gone up to 90% or 100% which is too bitter for me! I eat a lot less chocolate now & hardly crave it at all & only have 1 square, or maybe 2, when I DO eat it: there’s much more of a chocolate hit from 85% dark chocolate than you’d ever get from milk chocolate; less satisfies more!

Hi Laney

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I will definitely be more cautious of sweetners and I really need to try some dark chocolate, there is just so much variety I never know which to go for. Do I need to buy it from a health shop and is any dark chocolate in the shops OK as long as its high % cocoa ? Xx
 
Many members here like the ‘Moser Roth’ ones from Aldi, but I think any will do. There are lots available, including ‘fair trade’ ones if that is of interest to you.

It is an intense hit of chocolate flavour without all the ‘padding’ of added fat and sugar, so you may find it challenging to begin with, but slowly melting a square on the tongue gives an extended chocolate experience for far lower carb content.

Some people find going ‘cold turkey’ works best for them, while others find it better to take a staged and gradual approach, but whichever system suits you best, you absolutely CAN do this, and your tastes will change over time.

Some of the things your are automatically drawn to flavour-wise are down to your genes, but much of it is based on your eating habits and what is available. The brain is very good at adapting! You just need to stick with it - recognise that it is hard, and that you will be tempted... but that changes to a more healthy eating plan for you are worth it, and the longer you can keep it up, the easier it will become.

So be kind to yourself. Youve done great in recognising your ‘wobble’ being open and honest about it here, and wanting to get back on the wagon.
 
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Hi @Autumn2020

Just thinking about chocolate. I had a reputation at school for being a Smarties addict. I promised to adapt my lessons if students bought in Smarties to share. It is amazing how much Maths can be taught using the colours, numbers, letters on the coloured lids (I had a good collection of those before they stopped the tubes). Anyway no more Smarties for me now since diagnosis. I wouldn’t be able to limit my numbers.

BUT now I treat myself to one chocolate after the evening meal. If it is going to be just one I tend to go for really high cocoa content and really nice ones. My preference is Dark chocolate Brazils.
One (very yummy one) a day keeps the cravings at bay and buried in a meal does not impact my levels much.
 
I definitely take comfort from sweet stuff and often find myself feeling sad that I can't enjoy those things anymore, which I known is silly as my health is most important.

Loosing the weight has been amazing, its been years since I have lost anything. I have weighed myself this morning and despite my few fails I have lost a little more and am now 18.5lb down, I will keep going, thank you for the encouragement, it really helps. You can keep at it too. Suppose we have to just keep thinking about our health and pushing on.

I am going to speak to uni and see what is in place. I have pretty much just been getting on with normal life. We have never eat out much and don't go out drinking so going into pubs ect isn't an issue for us. I wear a mask in shops, wash everything when I get home and keep my distance, just hate the worry now I am at greater risk and just wondered what everyone else was doing x
18.5ibs is awesome. I would /will be over the moon when I have lost that amount & yes I too will get back on the wagon. Like Henry, the only option for me is to get rid of everything that I may be tempted by. I too wipe or wash everything I bring in from the shops. wear a mask whenever I am shopping or around people unless I have a lot of space. It is what I find helpful & safe & that is important. Take care xx
 
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