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Apple cider vinegar - any views

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Amigo

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Hi everyone. First of all I want to say I'm not susceptible to the snake oil seller's and realise the only way to truly keep type 2 diabetes in check is a low carb diet, exercise, weight control and meds if necessary. But I've been doing a fair bit of reading on the usefulness for glycemic control of apple cider vinegar (the organic one with the 'mother' in) not the corner shop type for the chips. There's the usual pieces of research, none particularly conclusive though the Japanese did a study which seemed to indicate some positive effects.

I'm giving it a try and only having 1 tablespoon in a cold glass of water. In honesty, I was initially recommended it for wind because for some reason this has become a problem recently. I'm aware it can be too acidic taken on its own and needs caution when there's kidney impairment.

Just a shot in the dark but have any others tried this and any positive/negative reports as a result? Cheers (and I wasn't toasting that with a nice glass of the stuff! 😱)
 
This is all unreliable guff. No double blind trials, for a start. Why not wine vinegar? Why not Sarsons? One of these studies even showed worsening glycemic control in Type 1 Diabetes on the "regime". Lunacy. Looks to me like a marketing push by the makers of apple cider vinegar. Which also, apparently, works magically in arthritis. Aye, right.

And I have to say, Amigo, that taking a dilute vinegar solution for wind seems a little odd, since that very dilute acid is being poured into a stomach that is around ten times more acidic. How does that work?
 
Amigo said:
not the corner shop type for the chips
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Apple cider vinegar on chips😱 That is more heretical than T2's not on insulin/anti-diabetics testing!!!
 
Apple cider vinegar is not acidic in the stomach. It is actually the complete opposite and forms an alkaline. I can therefore fully understand it being suggested for wind.
 
I must admit I'm deeply sceptical on all things 'alternative' and in terms of definitive and authoritive research, this one comes up lacking unless you're a rat. However, I remain open minded and was amazed at how many times I came across this from diabetics when I was first diagnosed and looking for something that might help with the dawn phenomenon. Of course much of it was anecdotal. Scanning round the IBS sites, many 'sufferers' seem to use it sensibly to good effect. But I'm not trying to promote it, this is just a genuine quest to see if others have used it. I'd never rely on anything external (except prescribed meds) to control my diabetes really...that's up to me.

https://authoritynutrition.com/6-proven-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar/

I'll be a guinea pig for a little while and report back and if all else fails, I'll make salad dressings with it or put it on the chips I shouldn't be eating! 🙄
 
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If you are taking it as a relief for wind in any case then you cannot lose. If by some chance however remote it helps diabetic control then it is a win win for you. If by an even slimmer chance it makes your wind smell of roses then please let me know immediately and I will order in an industrial bowser full for myself 😉
 
Diabeticliberty said:
If you are taking it as a relief for wind in any case then you cannot lose. If by some chance however remote it helps diabetic control then it is a win win for you. If by an even slimmer chance it makes your wind smell of roses then please let me know immediately and I will order in an industrial bowser full for myself 😉
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I shall blow any results your way DL and hope for April violets! 😛
 
Actually real apple cider vinegar is probiotic because it's fermented, full of delightful bacteria, so less alternative than it might sound. I have no idea if it can help with blood sugar but the probiotic nature of the food would potentially help with wind if it were caused by an imbalance of gut bacteria. There is a lot of research being undertaken at the moment about the link between leaky gut and diabetes, and leaky gut is caused mostly by overgrowth of bad bacteria so there may actually be a link. That said of course home made yoghurt is the most potent source of helpful bacteria so that might be a more palatable option. I dont have a problem with alternative though, none whatsoever, despite my training in biochemistry or actually maybe because of it 🙂
 
Diabeticliberty said:
Apple cider vinegar is not acidic in the stomach. It is actually the complete opposite and forms an alkaline. I can therefore fully understand it being suggested for wind.
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I'm willing to believe that, but if you could explain the in detail the process whereby an acid is added to an acid environment and an alkali is formed, I'd be grateful.
 
mikeyB said:
I'm willing to believe that, but if you could explain the in detail the process whereby an acid is added to an acid environment and an alkali is formed, I'd be grateful.
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Mike I am currently enjoying dinner with a erm.......new friend. I am looking at your post from a mobile phone I could sit and type my right thumbpad red raw with an explanation but it would easier for me to post a link instead.

http://healthybliss.net/benefits-of-raw-apple-cider-vinegar/


Most of the stuff printed is more or less correct. The part about alkaline is certainly correct.
 
Thanks for that. Where is the science? It's all very well saying the body thinks it's alkaline, without a shred of evidence, but that doesn't mean it's true. It does not answer my original question.
 
Interesting article. Which contains not a word about the ludicrous claim that apple cider vinegar becomes alkaline in stomach acid, or that the body recognises it as an alkali.
 
mikeyB said:
Interesting article. Which contains not a word about the ludicrous claim that apple cider vinegar becomes alkaline in stomach acid, or that the body recognises it as an alkali.
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Mike, I'll tell you what I am wrong and you are right if it makes you happy. You appear fairly determined to pick a punch up with me on this matter. You asked how acid products produce an alkaline reaction in the gut and I offered you some links to stuff that did some explaining. Go and argue with the authors and leave me well out of it 😉
 
Not at all DL. As I said, the article was interesting. It's the other more outrageous claims that were being made in the first article you flagged up that offended my scientific sensibility. I don't want a fight with anybody (never have), I just like to see medical claims backed up by evidence rather than anecdote, opinion.

And having read the articles, I still don't know how two acids can make an alkali, so maybe I will contact the authors. Not for an argument, just for enlightenment.
 
mikeyB said:
Not at all DL. As I said, the article was interesting. It's the other more outrageous claims that were being made in the first article you flagged up that offended my scientific sensibility. I don't want a fight with anybody (never have), I just like to see medical claims backed up by evidence rather than anecdote, opinion.

And having read the articles, I still don't know how two acids can make an alkali, so maybe I will contact the authors. Not for an argument, just for enlightenment.
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Ooo I hadn't wanted to stir up a scientific tiff on this guys!
Hope you find the info you need Mikey and certainly hope the debate didn't eat into the valuable time with your erm...new friend DL!! 🙂
 
I read a newspaper article recently ( sorry, can't find the reference) that cider vingear can help with acid reflux, where the problem is over secretion of acid by the stomach. It works not by neutralising the acid with an alkali, as most indigestion tablets do, but by suppressing the over production of stomach acid, because of its own acidity. Is this where the notion that it 'acts like an alkali' comes from?
 
Amigo said:
Ooo I hadn't wanted to stir up a scientific tiff on this guys!
Hope you find the info you need Mikey and certainly hope the debate didn't eat into the valuable time with your erm...new friend DL!! 🙂
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9.30am and I swear I think I am still drunk. What am I doing :(
 
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