Andrew Diet for several weeks

[Andrew]

I do not know if this will paste or cause havoc but this is my food diay for severl weeks post being idagnosed - snakcs weetabix mini or whole weat biscuits. I am interested in comments as my Dr just said thats OK and the diatician i saw (and complained about) said nothinguseful and diabetic nurse made no real comment looks ok to me.

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Breakfast





Weetabix 2
Tea Grapefruit Weetabix 2
Tea Brown toast 2
Tea Brown toast 2
Tea Brown toast X 2
Coffee Tea (6am)

Brown toast X2
Baked beans, bacon
Coffee
Work Friday breakfast club









Andrew Diet Week commencing?15th May

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Breakfast





Weetabix 2
Tea Grapefruit Weetabix 2
Tea Brown toast 2
Tea Brown toast 2
Tea Brown toast X 2
Coffee Tea (6am)

Brown toast X2
Baked beans, bacon
Coffee
Work Friday breakfast club
Coffee

Coffee X 4
Coffee X 5
Cranberry tea 2
Coffee 2 Cranberry tea 2
Coffee 2 Cranberry tea 2
Coffee 2 Coffee X 2
Coffee X 2

Lunch


Tuna sandwich
Orange juice Quiche salad
2 water Sausage Wellington!!!
water Baked potato
Beans
Water X 2 Lidl Breakfast Yoghurt Drink
Fish and chips
Water X 2
Tea
Tea X 5 Tea X 4 Cranberry tea 2
Tea
Tea 2 Cranberry tea
Tea Tea X 3 Tea X 3
Dinner





Georgia chicken salad
Fruit juice Scallops black pudding, peas

Kedgeree
Water

Lemon meringue Tuna salad
Water
Tea Pizza salad
Water
Tea
Chilli
Sugar free Orange squash X 2 Chicken, Bacon & Tomato, Potatoes.
Yoghurt, Orange
A glass of wine, water Chinese take away
Glass of wine
Blood Sugar 33 Blood Sugar 30




Andrew Diet Week commencing?22nd May?

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Breakfast





Grapefruit
Tea Toast X 2
Tea X 2 Toast X 2
Tea X 1
Weetabix
Pear
Coffee Toast
coffee Lidl breakfast drink Orange juice
Baggett marmalade

Coffee

Coffee X 3
Banana Coffee X 2
Pear Coffee 1
Cranberry tea Cranberry
tea X 3
Coffee Coffee X 3 Coffee X 3 Water bottled 2 X 500 ml
Lunch


Tuna sandwich
Apple
Tea Fruit bread
Coffee X 2
Orange Salad turkey
Water X 2
Alpen muesli bar. Mince and bacon roll, potatoes and mixed vegetables Water X 2 Ham sandwich
Squash
Soup Bread Buffet starter
Beef Stroganoff
Tea
Tea X 3 Tea X 4 Coffee X 2
Cranberry tea
Tea fruit bread Cranberry tea Tea X 3 Coffee X 2 Water bottled 500ml X 2

Dinner





BBQ salad, sausage, burger
Mango pickle
Lemonade

Raspberry pavlova
Chilli Rice
7 up X 3
Banana


Hot Chocolate Tuna Sandwich
Tea X 2

Cider ? Glass

Seven up Bread soup

Coffee

Spaghetti Bolognaise
Glass of wine
Meal on ferry
Buffet starter
Beef thing
Fruit flan
Orange juice Lasagne / salad
Apple / banana
Cider X 1 300ml
7 up

Blood Sugar 15





Andrew Diet Week commencing?29th May

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Breakfast





? Baggett
Croissant
Coffee X 2
? Baggett
Croissant
Coffee X 2
? Baggett
Croissant
Coffee X 2
Tesco Salisbury
Beans on toast
Coffee Lidl Yoghurt drink
Tea Lidl Yoghurt drink
Tea Beans on toast
Coffee
Coffee

Coffee X 2 Water bottled 500ml X 2
Coffee X 3 Water bottled 500ml X 3
Coffee X 2 Water bottled 500ml X 2
Coffee X 3 Coffee X 4 Coffee X 2
Lunch


Baggett Cheese Salad
7 up Baggett Ham Salad
7 up Baggett Ham and Cheese Ham salad sandwich
Tea Cumberland Sausage, Mash, Yorkshire pudding, Beans
Water X 2 Cottage pie, Vegetables
Water X 2
Fish, chips and mushy peas
Tea
Coffee X 2 Water bottled 500ml X 3
Coffee X 2 Water bottled 500ml X 2
Water bottled 500ml X 2
Pegasus bridge Tea Tea X 2 Water bottled 500ml X 1
Tea X 3 Coffee
Water 500ml



Coffee
Dinner





Chateaux de Loir
Salad Beef
Orange and Lemonade X 4 Cannelloni Salad
Squash Potato rosti, Beef, Salad

Orange juice & Lemonade
Tuna Salad
Water X1
Tea Chinese take away
Lemon Chicken and Fried rice
Squash
Chilli chicken
Squash X 4

1 Glass 300ml French Cider 4% Salad, beef fajitas
Tea X 2
Squash
Blood sugar 10





Andrew Diet Week commencing?5th June

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Breakfast






Toast
Coffee Lidl Yogurt drink
Tea X 2 Toast X 2 marmite
Tea X 2
Lidl Yogurt breakfast drink
Tea Lidl Yogurt breakfast drink
Toast
Tea X 3 Beans on toast Tea
Coffee

Coffee X 4
Water 500ml X 2 Coffee X 2
Water X 3 Coffee X 2 Coffee X 1
Tea X 2 Coffee X 3 Tea Tea
Lunch






Cheese salad
Apple juice
2 peaches Lidl breakfast yogurt
Cheese and biscuits
apple Sausage, beans, egg & chips Chicken fried (onion, peppers, Soya sauce) rice
Water X 2 Turkey salad
Water X 2 Steak and mushroom pie, potatoes mixed vegetable
Water X 2 Baked Potato tuna, salad
Water X 2
Tea

Tea X 2 shortbread biscuit Tea X 3
Fruit biscuit Coffee X 2
peach Coffee X 2 Coffee X 2 Coffee X 3
Tea
Dinner







Lamb, potatoes, onion, mushrooms
Apple
Squash X 3 Hot dog Salad, Roll, Apple
Lidl mini ice cream
Squash X 2 Spaghetti bolognaise (no parmesan)
Lidl mini ice cream
Glass of red wine
Squash X 3 Spaghetti Carbonara
7 up X 2
Peach
Chicken Tikka
Raspberry flavoured water Reef Ravioli, tomato based sauce
Orange squash
Banana
Small ice cream cone Lentil soup
Role
Squash
Blood sugar 15






Andrew Diet Week commencing?12th June

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Breakfast





Yoghurt drink
Tea Toast X 2
Weetabix X 2
Tea Yoghurt drink
Tea X 1
Yoghurt drink
No breakfast blood tests which did not happen No breakfast blood tests taken

Followed by
Yoghurt drink
Beans on Toast
Tea X 1
Coffee

Coffee X 2 Coffee X 1 Coffee X 2 Tea X 1
Coffee X 1 Coffee X 2 Tea X 2 Tea X 2
Coffee X 1
Lunch





Eggs Benedict
Squash Cheese pasty
Squash Chicken and mushroom pie new potatoes mushy peas,
Water X 2 Meatloaf, mixed Vegetables
Water X 2 Fish Pie mixed Vegetables Water X 2 Chicken Korma
Water X 2 Fish and chips, peas,
Water X 2
Tea

Tea X 3 Tea X 1 Tea X 1 Tea X 1 Tea X 2 Tea X 2
500ml bottle water Tea X 1
Water X 4

Dinner






Puritan inn
Garlic mushrooms,
Somerset Chicken, salad, mixed vegetables,
Orange juice with lemonade Coffee
Chicken, mixed vegetables
Orange juice X 3
Tea X 3 Salad, Pizza, apple pie (small)
squash Pasty
Water X 4 Pasty and Salad
Water X 3 Ham Salad
Squash (apple) Chicken Tikka
Glass of wine
Blood sugar 9.2



Andrew Diet Week commencing?19th June

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Breakfast





Yoghurt breakfast drink Toast and marmite Yoghurt breakfast drink Yoghurt breakfast drink Yoghurt breakfast drink Yoghurt breakfast drink Beans on toast X 2
Water X 1
Coffee

Coffee X 3 Coffee X 4 Coffee X 2
Tea X 1 Coffee X 2
Coffee X 3 Coffee Dunns River Nurishment Coffee X 3
Lunch





Toast marmite
Glass of Water Cheese and pickle sandwich Tuna salad
Water X 2 Tuna salad
Water X 2 Cottage pie
Mashed carrot and potato Beef and Vegetable pie, mashed Swede and potatoes
Water X 2 Fish and chips, peas,
Water X 2
Tea

Tea X 2
Water X3 Tea X 3
Water X 3 Coffee X 1
Tea X 2 Tea X 2 Tea X 1
Lime and lemonade X 1
Sandwich Coffee X 1 Tea X 1
Dinner






Chicken Balti
Little mango cheesecake
Glass of wine Chilli
Glass of cider
Water X 2 Fish with noodles
Glass of wine
Water X 2 KFC late home after picking up trailer
Water X 3 Ham and mushroom ravioli in tom sauce
Glass of wine
Marmite & Salad sandwich
Blueberry yoghurt
Water X 3 Chicken Tikka
Blood Sugar 11.2



Andrew Diet Week commencing?26th June

Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Breakfast





Yoghurt
Muesli Yoghurt
Muesli Yoghurt
Muesli Yoghurt
Muesli
Tea X 1 Yoghurt
Muesli
Tea X 1 Weetabix
Tea X 1 Beans on toast X 2
Water X 1
Coffee

Water X 3 Water X 4 Cranberry tea X 2, Coffee X 2 Coffee X 1
Lemon tea X 2 Coffee X 3 Coffee X 2 Coffee X 3
Lunch





Tuna sandwich
Coffee X 2 Tuna sandwich
Coffee X 3 Beef Salad
Orange Juice Baked potato, baked beans. Sausage, Potatoes, mixed vegetables, onion gravy
Water X 2 Cottage pie, peas new potatoes
Water X 2 Fish and chips
Mushy peas
Tea

Tea X 2
Water X 3 Water X 4 Water X 2
Coffee Tea X 2
Small Bar of whole nut Tea X 1 Tea X 1
Coffee X 2 Tea X 3
Dinner






Salad, mixed meats Chilli
Glass of red wine X 2 Sam?s Birthday
Chinese take away
Glass of chardonnay Spaghetti bolognaise
Water X 3 Cheese salad, onion and sweet chilli bread
Water X 4
Tea X 2 Ham salad
Roll
Water Spaghetti Carbonara
Red wine
Blood sugar 4.8

 

[Andrew]

It looked OK on my computer

Hi Sorry it looked ok on my computer now it seems to have re arranged the orws into columns

 

[Robster65]

Hi Andrew

Formatting will never be the same from your computer, once it's posted on the forum.

Your best bet is just to list your daily meals in separate rows.

eg. Breakfast
Monday - weetabix, toast x 2, coffee x 3
Tuesday - weetabix, tea
etc

Hope that helps and look forward to the list so we can cast a critical eye over it !

ROb

 

[Twinkle]

Hi Andrew,

I'm by no means an expert having only been diagnosed 3 months but the things that jumped out at me were the orange juices, pasta dishes and jacket potatoes. Do you take sugar in any of your hot drinks? Baked Beans aren't too great and you have a few rice dishes, do you use white rice?

All of the above would probably keep your readings high. It's a shame your medical team haven't paid more interest.

The formatting makes it difficult to understand your BG readings, are you only testing once a day? Ideally if you can test before meals then 2 hours after you can see which foods you are able to tolerate and which should be reduced or eliminated. Also it's difficult to assess not knowing portion sizes - I've reduced my plates quite a bit, but one man's 'sausage and mash' may be twice the size of anothers!

Sorry I don't know your situation so I apologise if I am asking things you've already mentioned. Do you have weight to lose? Do you take any statins to reduce cholesterol? I ask as I have Simvastatin and I am not allowed to eat/drink grapefruit and noticed it's in your diary.

I have around 2 to 3 stone to lose (have lost 2 already) and have been advised not to eat more than 3 portions of fruit a day (the rest of the 'good stuff' should be vegetables). What is working for me is 3 regular meals of moderate size, and only fruit for snacks. I find that if I know the next meal is coming in a few hours then I don't feel the need to snack. It does take organisation and planning though which isn't always practical with everything else that life throws at you!

Your listed BG results are all rather high, I would try (personally) to do a low carb week and test regularly to see how that impacts. You'll find that when your BG lowers you'll feel a bit 'odd' to start with as your body isn't used to it, but then before you know it you'll be a bundle of energy 🙂

Good luck!

 

[Andrew]

Diet

Hi
Orange juice may be once a week ?- baked beans now less often , pasta and rice dishes more often brown rice whole flour pasta

Reduce plate sizes been doing all along - I do not test for BG it was only done on a regular basis for the first couple of months started at 33 ended up at 4.2
Never been able to test before and after meals.
Need to loose about a stone again which I have put back on over the last 3 months -- started a tempory job which is bad for me by 10.30 some days to tired to do anything except sleep for 3 or 4 hours

Only have grapefruit about once or twice a month I have metformin - Simvastatin
Aspin also ventolin symbicorte

 

[Andrew]

Diet for this week

Hi I am also drinking a few glasses of water which do not get listed and a couple of items of fuit bananas apples, weetabix minis may be 6 as a snack

Wife works for constalation wines so I may sip and taste but I let her drink a bottle over 2 days.


Andrew Diet 7th to 14 August


Monday weetabix - tea X 2 - Tuna sandwich Apple Tea - Spaghetti Bolognaise
Glass of wine


Tuesday Lidl breakfast drink ? Tea X 2 - Fruit bread Coffee X 2 - Chilli Rice
7 up X 3 Banana

Wednesday Toast and marmite coffee Tea - Scallops black pudding, peas Kedgeree Water

Thursday weetabix - tea X 2 Georgia chicken salad -Fruit juice - Tuna Sandwich
Tea X 2

Friday Yoghurt drink Tea X 1 Chicken fried (onion, peppers, Soya sauce) rice Water X 2


Saturday Yoghurt breakfast drink tea X 2 Tuna salad baked potatoes - Water X 2 Chicken Tikka

Sunday weetabix - tea X 2 Beef Salad sandwich - Orange Juice Spaghetti Carbonara
Red wine

 

[Vicsetter]

eek! You are eating far too much wheat based products (especially white wheat). Weetabix x2 and toastx2 for breakfast - no wonder you feel tired by 10:30 your BG is probably pretty high by then. Try and cut out sandwiches, stick to tuna salad for instance.
You should really try and get a meter and test yourself for a while to see what your diet is doing to you.

In the meantime have a look at the labels on the stuff you are eating and look up anything without a label, (google carb values of food), for instance you do realise that pavlova is pure sugar!. Mango pickle is very high, chinese takeaway (rice and sugar added to the sauces) is high, kedgeree is made with rice and so is high, baked beans can be high (depends which brand).

Your one listing, whilst sounding nice, is not going to do you any good:

Baggett Cheese Salad
7 up Baggett Ham Salad
7 up Baggett Ham and Cheese Ham salad sandwich
Tea Cumberland Sausage, Mash, Yorkshire pudding, Beans
Water X 2 Cottage pie, Vegetables
Water X 2
Fish, chips and mushy peas​

Baguette is usually white flour and about 50% carb so say 25g carb.
a sandwich (2 slices of bread) will be about 30g carb
Mash (depending on how much) say 30g
Yorkshire pud - only 7g
Baked Beans - probably about 60g in a 400gram tin
Cottage pie - mash again.
Fish - presumably battered - more white flour
Chipsabout 30% carb so about 30g

The problem being that nearly every carb source you are eating is fast acting - so more or less pure sugar. If this all sounds harsh it is. However if you carry on like this it will get worse, none of us gets any better. Have your fish and chips but don't eat the batter on the fish. Don't have bread with your salad. Only have 1 or 2 small potatoes when you have potatoes.

Try 2 slices of brown or multigrain toast with butter for breakfast without the weetabix and see how you feel at 10:30. This will be affected by how high you were first thing - do you test your walking levels?

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Hi Andrew

It's very difficult for anyone (including you) to know how well or badly your system can cope with your diet without a BG meter. If you are on D&E or oral meds then dietary changes are pretty much your most significant weapon in taming D and feeling well again.

Have you read 'Jennifer's Advice'? Even if you have to self-fund strips to test your BG for a short while, there is no better way of knowing what food you can eat, and what you need to save for special occasions.

Generally speaking, reducing/moderating the amount of carb you are eating (that's everything, not just sugar/sweet things, but bread/rice/pasta/potatoes/fruit etc) will help to reduce BG levels and can make you feel a lot better.

 

[Twinkle]

Hi
Orange juice may be once a week ?- baked beans now less often , pasta and rice dishes more often brown rice whole flour pasta

Reduce plate sizes been doing all along - I do not test for BG it was only done on a regular basis for the first couple of months started at 33 ended up at 4.2
Never been able to test before and after meals.
Need to loose about a stone again which I have put back on over the last 3 months -- started a tempory job which is bad for me by 10.30 some days to tired to do anything except sleep for 3 or 4 hours

Only have grapefruit about once or twice a month I have metformin - Simvastatin
Aspin also ventolin symbicorte

Hi Andrew,

If you Google Simvastatin + Grapefruit it will give you the information/reasons not to eat or drink it. Basically it could cause the drug to remain in your bloodstream and lead to muscle/kidney complications. Probably best not to have it all - it doesn't mention having it in moderation just not to have it at all.

As others have said, the 10.30am tiredness is most probably because your BG is high, I know if mine gets near 8 I just want to sleep standing up.

4.2 is a good reading, but if it's just a before bed or on waking reading you don't get an idea of what's been happening through the day as a consequence of your food and drink. So you could have rocketed up to double figures mid-morning but by bedtime be back in a good range.

I don't know if it's been proven or it's just my personal opinion, but certainly in the months leading to diagnosis I was utterly addicted to carbs. I've always loved bread and potatoes and it's been hard reducing them and altering my choices. It may well be that you are craving those carbs - i.e. having chips with a cottage pie (presumably already topped with mashed potato).

Definitely start testing more if you are able, you will probably be surprised at what works well for you and find you can enjoy more than you thought.

Good luck 🙂

 

[Andrew]

Andrew Diet

Hi Thanks

I was told weetabix/oatibix (/porrage winter) musli were a good low G~I beakfast --that is why I have been sticking to it (+ skimed milk). so from what you have said weetabix at 6.30 and then feeling tired about 9.30 would seem to gell. in oder to loose weight I was wondering about the special K idea of diet for a 2 weeks but very not sure,
I have been going for low GI bread from the local baker, tastes ok with marmite - good with home made soups -- brown rice and whole meal pasta could taste better but with chilli or bolognaise tastes quite good. ran out of 7 up a year ago, but from my point of view I am of the opinion that the Desmond session I went on was very poorly run to the point where I made negative comments to my Dr.
I like trying breads with a lot of grains in - I understand that should be good, The tesco walnut bread- strawberry sandwich was interesting!

 

[Andrew]

Diet added thought

Hi I thought that I should add - I hope it does not count as advertising
I have
Antony Worall Thompson's GI Diet and diabetic cook books

which i have been using for diet ideas but with my wifes help modifing them

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

I was rather shocked to look up the GI of Weetabix, having been told it was 'slow release' for many years by various dieticians etc. Weighs in at around 70 - roughly the same as a jam doughnut...

Of course, GI is just an average, really you need to test to check how your own body reacts (you might be fine with Weetabix). As for me - all cereal is evil 😱

 

[Andrew]

breakfast

I understood that Weetabix - porrage - musli - oatibix were all slow release and a good choice for breakfast possibly -- with fruit banana - raspberrys
semi skimed milk making about 200 cal plus cup of tea white no sugar 18 cal
how wrong am I??

 

[Northerner]

I understood that Weetabix - porrage - musli - oatibix were all slow release and a good choice for breakfast possibly -- with fruit banana - raspberrys
semi skimed milk making about 200 cal plus cup of tea white no sugar 18 cal
how wrong am I??

I think that is the advice generally given, and I think Weetabix even claim to be 'slow release' in their adverts these days but it can cause a rapid rise and fall in levels! Porridge is usually good if it is the home made variety made with coarse oats, but you would need to test to see how some of the instant ones affect your blood sugar - stuff like Oatso Simple and Ready Brek are quite refined and some people find it sends blood sugars up quickly. Muesli can contain quite a bit of sugar and raisins can affect blood sugars quite badly too.

 

[Andrew]

rapid rise and fall in levels

SOme how I find it odd that food like weetabix etc can cause a rapid rise and fall in BS levels, I can understand ready brek and oats for the so simple due to the added sugar and level of refinment, but not somehow weetabix, the bit I must add is that weetabix at 6.30 means tired at about 9.30 that is 3 hours - i need 5 hours between breakfast and lunch, preferably without a morning snack, I guess I will have to try porrage.which I like for the winter though I have been doing 60g of oats with 40g of sultanas. I assume that the sultanas will be bad. off to bed as 6am start, driving to london in the morning

I think that is the advice generally given, and I think Weetabix even claim to be 'slow release' in their adverts these days but it can cause a rapid rise and fall in levels! Porridge is usually good if it is the home made variety made with coarse oats, but you would need to test to see how some of the instant ones affect your blood sugar - stuff like Oatso Simple and Ready Brek are quite refined and some people find it sends blood sugars up quickly. Muesli can contain quite a bit of sugar and raisins can affect blood sugars quite badly too.

 

[Northerner]

Yes, unfortunately sultanas are a bit like sugar lumps for us What about toast? Burgen soya and linseed bread is very good 🙂

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

I read a post about Weetabix by someone once which said that it has to do with how crushed the grains are (which in Weetabix's case is quite a bit). Similar with bread... I think there's even a difference between stoneground and machine milled flour as the stoneground flour is coarser.

I'd gone on for many years following the basic rule of thumb that anything 'brown' was probably OK but a period of post-meal testing has revealed some surprises. Several things which are supposed to be slow release eg Porridge have proved to be very fast acting for me, while others with terrible reputations (mashed potato) have been fine.

Digestion is a fiendishly complex business. Advice and expected behaviour are all very well, but there's nothing like running a few tests of your own so that you can see how well (or badly) your own system responds. It's why it's such a nonsense that T2s who often only have dietary changes to control their D are denied the means of monitoring/managing their condition.

 

[mrbee]

Weetabix

Is NOT slow release, it is to do with the way the fibre has been treated before it arrives at your bowl. I think its crappy how Weetabix and other companies can get away with portraying such things as 'Slow Release' when infact, in the case of many cereals, it is infact the yoghurt or milk products that bring the GI down...

The reason for the spike, is the relative high Glycemic Load cause by such cereals, as they are obviously rich in total carb content for even a small portion, combined with a fast release of carbs into the blood...

It is very important you test yourself if in doubt...

Mr Bee

 

[Robster65]

Hi Mr Bee. Welcome to the forum.🙂

I seem to recall that shredded wheat has a better reputation for slow release but I may have made it up.

Once again, I'll push the virtues of wholegrain muesli with low fat natural yoghurt and berries added. Gives a steady trickle all morning without spikes or crashes (for me at least 🙄), and, when mushed together in the bowl, is very tasty.🙂

I have the advantage of course of being able to inject enough insulin to keep it at bay but I would expect the yoghurt, as Mr Bee pointed out, would supress any spikes and last you the 5 hours.🙂

Rob

 

[Andrew]

Burgen soya and linseed bread

Hi Thankyou
I have been usiging Burgen soya and linseed bread some days - morrisons mixed grain - and a couple of others with high grain content, also hovis oat bread (pale blue bag) when I can find it - I am not supprised about the sultanas however porrage is something I live on in the winter breakfast 4 or 5 times a week

Yes, unfortunately sultanas are a bit like sugar lumps for us What about toast? Burgen soya and linseed bread is very good 🙂