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Alcohol - A & E Visit

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I'm really sorry to hear you went through all this, it must have been very scary!

And although I agree your son has been irresponsible, some of the above comments may be a bit harsh.
Growing up with type 1 is not easy! Especially if he has not accepted his diabetes yet, then there is the peer pressure and wanting to be the same as all his friends and maybe just being a bit depressed about his condition!

I agree he should learn from this experience but I think some slack has to be given also.

I hope you never have a repeat experience of your weekend!
 
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I would say pour yourself a stiff gin but that might not be quite the thing right now. Sending hugs your way and a nice cup of tea perhaps?

Isn't it bizarre how things happen. I so nearly did have a gin and tonic before this all kicked off Saturday night. Thank goodness I didn't. Something obviously stopped me! I don't drink much anyway and certainly the first year following his diagnosis I never dared drink if my husband did 'just in case' - now I don't think I will ever dare again - unless my son is tucked up nicely in bed!
 
I think you coped amazingly well- I would have gone to pieces-we are only just beginning the teenage party thing[ h is 16 now) ,and I feel quite sick when a party is mentioned. how has he been since?- its so hard rely on their friends I remember my sons friend saying it was quite a responsibility to keep an eye on H!- well these things are all a learning curve! and yes I would dialled 999.hope things are ok now
 
He is absolutely fine now thanks, just a nice bruise on his hand from the cannula site, thought they did have to have several attempts to site it as his veins kept collapsing, so he does look like a human pin cushion.

He is Mr Angry today. Of course I have asked him couple of times to check his BG levels and that just makes him cross. He then announced a few minutes ago that he was going out with this same friend who called me Saturday evening. I couldn't even start to speak before he cut me off saying it's about time I dropped the subject, even though I was just trying to ask him to thank his friend on my behalf, apologise to him if I ranted on a bit Saturday night, but just to thank him properly for phoning me when he did.

I am confident they won't drink tonight, certainly at the moment he is too scared to, let's just see how long that lasts.

I have also sent his old DSN a detailed account of what happened, as I am not sure exactly how detailed any record will be that gets sent to them via A&E. She hasn't as yet responded, but I hope she at least acknowledges it. His new DSN is due to speak to him again this week apparently, so I like to think she will be in the picture before speaking to him. I really do think this is the opportunity for everyone to get on his back and start him controlling things better all round.

All his readings yesterday (all 2 of them in the end) and today have been in the 13-15 range, so still way too high, but at least he is testing a bit. That in itself is progress with my son. Now it's just getting him to inject regularly too. I'm sure in time he will begin to treat it with more respect. Let's just hope this is the beginning.
 
Oh Tina what a night. I hope you're all on the way to recovery x
 
Now it's just getting him to inject regularly too. I'm sure in time he will begin to treat it with more respect. Let's just hope this is the beginning.

Tina, I just hope that it doesn't take something serious for him to wake up and start taking things seriously, like failing eyesight or limbs starting to go numb. Maybe finding out he won't be getting a driving license with episodes like the weekend will make him sit up and take notice!
 
Maybe finding out he won't be getting a driving license with episodes like the weekend will make him sit up and take notice!

Ah, good bit of ammo there Robofski, thanks! Hadn't thought of that. He keeps flirting with the idea of driving lessons, he got close to applying for his licence a couple of months ago, then put it off. He was only talking a week or so ago about applying soon so that he can start lessons in the spring when the weather improves. Might have to subtly mention that this will be on his hospital records now.......!
 
Ah, good bit of ammo there Robofski, thanks! Hadn't thought of that. He keeps flirting with the idea of driving lessons, he got close to applying for his licence a couple of months ago, then put it off. He was only talking a week or so ago about applying soon so that he can start lessons in the spring when the weather improves. Might have to subtly mention that this will be on his hospital records now.......!

As things stand he wont be granted a driving licence.
He will need three months of blood sugar results for a 1st licence and he will also have to have the say so from either his GP or Consultant.
As he couldn't get his brain to function for his exams he has no chance of being safe to drive. :(
Added bonus he will have to test before he gets in the car as well :D
Fingers crossed things will improve in the near future for him and you.
 
Hi Tina
The driving licence issue is interesting to me too, as William will be looking into it next year. There is a useful page at the direct.gov site:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/MedicalRulesForDrivers/MedicalA-Z/DG_185427
It looks like they're mostly interested in hypo episodes and how these are predicted/managed, and eyesight. They also request information on 'fitness to drive' from consultant/GP. You have to sign a declaration to say you understand the need to test before driving and every 2 hours while driving.
It did occur to me that in some ways, the form is a disincentive to get those numbers down because of the emphasis on hypos (although of course I understand the reasons why!). They are clear that the definition of 'severe hypo' is a hypo requiring the assistance of another person. However there is no comment about overall control or high numbers. Presumably the consultant/GP report is supposed to cover that kind of thing?
Bye for now
Catherine
 
Hi Catherine,
the problem Tina's son is going to have is he has no meter readings to prove he has or hasn't had any hypo's. This means no Dr will sign the lad is fit to drive. It's his job and career on the line.
No tests recorded also means in all probability no testing will be done before getting behind the wheel of a car.
Which means he is a danger to himself and every other road user.
 
Yes, the meter readings will be the crunch. If he's really keen to learn to drive, it might be just the thing he needs to get him back on the straight and narrow. Interestingly when you apply for a heavy goods vehicle, you have to provide evidence that you test 'at least twice a day' (this is for insulin dependent diabetics), so I wonder what level of testing they would be after? Maybe the advice says 'at least twice a day' because some people will be on 2 injections a day. If they're on MDI I'd imagine they'd want to see at least 4? I wonder if they have different rules for pumpers too.
 
I have never told them I am on a pump, They have never asked. I only answer what I am asked no further info is ever given 🙂
I'm insulin dependant and that's it as far as I am concerned.
 
I expect he has learnt a valuable lesson. However I think it is now time to stop giving him a hard time as ultimately this may have the opposite effect. Having been diagnosed as Type I as a child I know the teen years are particularly hard. One is at a stage of being no longer a child and not yet an adult, there are various exam pressures and your peers often fail to understand. Watching what you eat and drink, and monitoring your diabetes become really hard work. As other things in life you are likely to try smoking and drinking under age. Because you are not meant to be doing these things advice can be rudimentary if at all. I was fortunate in that I had a wise consultant who lived in the real world. He advised me to stick to standard style beers and dry wine with an occasional whiskey or similar for special occasions (he was a Scotsman who liked a wee dram himself). Fortified wines, liqueurs were an absolute ?no no?. He explained that spirits were carbohydrate free but the alcohol would lower your blood sugar causing increased risks of hypos (these were the days of urine testing). With beers and wines his advice was to check your urine and try a keep a trace of sugar present. He also advised not to drink to excess and that a small snack (such as a packet of crisps) could be advisable after a few drinks. A very wise man compared to the consultant one of my peers had. He told him that whiskey was a good drink as it was carbohydrate free. This resulted in him having a large number of whiskeys, having a severe hypo and fitting. Subsequently he was diagnosed with epilepsy. Whether this was pre-existing or was brought on by the severe hypo was never clear. I still mainly only drink beer and red wine.
 
I expect he has learnt a valuable lesson. However I think it is now time to stop giving him a hard time as ultimately this may have the opposite effect.

With respect Stephen, I think you need to go and read all of Tina's posts.

The only one haveing a hard time is Tina his Mum.
Like you I was also diagnosed as a child and yes teenage years are very hard on the person with diabetes as it is the parents.
It would not be so bad if the lad injected his insulin which he is failing to do.
 
Oops - I seem to have opened a right can of worms here! Thanks Catherine for all the information, I was actually aware of all that. I downloaded the diabetes form months ago when he talked about it before. I agree with you, all it emphasizes is hypo awareness, not high levels. I have trawled various documents about driving and type 1, and nowhere have I seen anything about high levels being prohibitive, nor have I seen anywhere that you have to prove yourself by showing 3 months worth of BG readings. That's not to say I would be happy him driving in his current state though. I did mention to his old DSN a while ago about driving, and she said it's all about hypo awareness, so I really don't know that he would have to produce his meter readings at any point. I have certainly never heard or read than anywhere before.

I did also point out to him the box about testing before driving and every 2 hours thereafter, and did point out he is signing a declaration which could be produced in court if he did have an accident. He intends using my daughters old driving instructor. He is a T2, so I plan to have a word with him on the quiet first asking him to tell my son he HAS to see his meter EVERY time before he gets behind the wheel of the car. If I ask if he has tested before going, he is bound to say yes even if he hasn't. If his instructor insists he sees the evidence, he can't get away with it the same. He can then be the bad guy, not me!

I did email his old DSN as I have no contact details for his new one, and just ran by her what happened and asked if I should have done anything differently. She said she wouldn't normally advise giving any insulin to someone who was drunk, but given his BG levels it was the right call and if it were ever to happen again, I could go as high as 8u of Novorapid with a BG reading over 30. Hopefully that's a piece of information I can just file away though and never need to use.

She has suggested I try and talk to him about not using his Lantus, as she said that would have made things far less serious. He hasn't used any for at least 3 weeks that I am aware of. She has suggested that if it is due to him being scared of going too low they could reduce his dose and then build it up bit by bit. I personally think any amount of Lantus would be better than the zero amount he is having at the moment. He should be on something like 28 or 30 units. The lowest he has ever been on is 25, so maybe start there. The problem is they have upped and upped his morning M3 as that seems to be the only one he is using reasonably regularly (still skips an odd day or two here and there), so I guess the slow acting bit and the Lantus were overlapping and that was causing him to get a bit low now and then. The trouble is he has gone back to being Mr Angry again now so I have backed right off. It will be counter-productive at the moment. I think I am going to have to leave it a good few days before mentioning anything again. His new DSN is due to phone him one evening this week, maybe she can get through to him a bit. Next clinic mid October.
 
Hi Tina,
there was someone on another forum, who lost his licence because he hadn't been testing as required. He was asked to produce 3 mths worth of test results. He couldn't So DVLA pulled his licence.
Someone on here was also told they had to have 3 mths of stable blood sugars before their licence was granted as well.
Things have gone a bit over the top now due to the EU sticking their noses in.

As your son's blood sugars are so high his reactions will be very slow so a danger to everyone like that. Also his Mr angry due to high blood sugars could turn into road rage which would be awful for everyone concerned.

Perhaps when he has had some insulin and feeling a bit nicer point out to him that he is also ruining the rest of the families quality life besides his own.
 
Tina, it brings tears to my eyes that he is not taking his lantus - any lantus :( It sounds like he is basically being totally random about his diabetes control :(
 
With respect Stephen, I think you need to go and read all of Tina's posts.

The only one haveing a hard time is Tina his Mum.
Like you I was also diagnosed as a child and yes teenage years are very hard on the person with diabetes as it is the parents.
It would not be so bad if the lad injected his insulin which he is failing to do.

I fully understand what his mother has been going through - we all worry about our children and will do so for the rest of their lives - but I was just making the point that teenage years can be difficult particularly if you are diabetic.

The issue of him not taking his insulin regularly is of serious concern and he may need counselling or similar support if this continues to be an issue.
 
I'm late to this having been on me hols so I#d missed it - only when I saw Tinas newest thread and seeing the comment about 0the horrible experience last week' made me come and look.

well Phew LOL - but actually - TG he's now being a BIT sensible, or it seems like he could be.

Can I add re the Driving Licence application OK they don't ask US all that much but one of the questions they ask the Doc is whether you've had any repetitive hypos. So the doc asks you and you say yes or preferably no LOL - but then he says Gimme your meter then and you have to. I think it's fair enough that he asks that. After all would you sign a form swearing summat was true for someone else, without being 110% sure it WAS? - I know I would ask for proof before I did that - call me Mrs Cynical, I don't care.

They only see you for half an hour every so often, so they have no idea whether you are a pathological liar or not!
 
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