Accu Chek vs Contour

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SacrificedSin87

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Hi, I’m wondering about how accurate my blood glucose monitors are. I brought a Contour Plus Blue monitor back in August after the surgery pharmacist said that I’d probably not qualify for BGM as I was “only type 2” (not even going to open that can of worms, and yes I did put a complaint in). It was about a week later that I spoke to the specialist nurse who recommended that not only was my diabetes enough to require insulin but also I should have been offered BGM due to being on certain medications. I was issued an Accu Chek Instant.

So now I have 2 different monitors but I’m wondering, which is more accurate? Accu Chek or Contour? I’ve tried measuring with both from the same lance and there’s often a discrepancy between them.
 
all monitors should comply with the required 15% accuracy so it is unlikely that 2 monitors will give exactly the same reading, the difference is likely to be greater the higher the blood glucose level is. Indeed even the same monitor with a sample from the same finger prick is unlikely to be exactly the same. The number after the decimal point gives an impression of more accuracy than it is in actuality so perhaps best disregarded.
There is a table somewhere showing the accepted variation for different blood glucose readings which is worth a look. I will see if I can find it.
This tread has the table
 
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all monitors should comply with the required 15% accuracy so it is unlikely that 2 monitors will give exactly the same reading, the difference is likely to be greater the higher the blood glucose level is. Indeed even the same monitor with a sample from the same finger prick is unlikely to be exactly the same. The number after the decimal point gives an impression of more accuracy than it is in actuality so perhaps best disregarded.
There is a table somewhere showing the accepted variation for different blood glucose readings which is worth a look. I will see if I can find it.
This tread has the table
Thank you, this info is really interesting. I think it’s difficult to know 100% without access to a blood laboratory test every single time. As it stands the discrepancy between them tends to be within 1. I will keep an eye on it though.
 
Thank you, this info is really interesting. I think it’s difficult to know 100% without access to a blood laboratory test every single time. As it stands the discrepancy between them tends to be within 1. I will keep an eye on it though.
You have to bear in mind that these monitors cost a few pounds whereas laboratory equipment costs many thousands.
It was not uncommon to be paying £50.000 for an analyser with the consumables to be £10 per test.60
 
As it stands the discrepancy between them tends to be within 1.
That's about as good as it gets, then. Realistically that kind of difference isn't likely to change what we'd do so it just doesn't matter in a practical sense. (The case where it might would be in treating a hypo: is my reading of 4.3 a hypo? If the real value is 5.0 then no, and if it's 3.3 then yes. But really I'm going to eat a little at 4.3 just in case, because that's safe to do (though possibly unnecessary). So again, doesn't make any practical difference.)
 
You have to bear in mind that these monitors cost a few pounds whereas laboratory equipment costs many thousands.
It was not uncommon to be paying £50.000 for an analyser with the consumables to be £10 per test.
This is true, plus having to have a phlebotomist to take the sample daily wouldn’t be ideal, my veins don’t play nicely at the best of times. Then again, we are lucky really to have the tech we have nowadays as we aren’t relying solely on urine sticks or urine tests in general, we keep them in as I have a history of kidney issues and they also test for ketones.
 
That's about as good as it gets, then. Realistically that kind of difference isn't likely to change what we'd do so it just doesn't matter in a practical sense. (The case where it might would be in treating a hypo: is my reading of 4.3 a hypo? If the real value is 5.0 then no, and if it's 3.3 then yes. But really I'm going to eat a little at 4.3 just in case, because that's safe to do (though possibly unnecessary). So again, doesn't make any practical difference.)
I was told that if it’s lower than 5 to be on the safe side. I guess it’s a judgment call really and a case of listening to your body as it has ways of saying “hey, I’m not happy. I have a need to address.”
 
Hello Wendy @SacrificedSin87,

Curiously this question came up in a different thread this morning and this concern has also been my experience in the past. The short answer seems to be that there is no answer .... sort of akin to how long is a ball of string.

As @Leadinglights has said every meter has a 15% tolerance. And if you used just one meter and tested 5 fingers in rapid succession - while your BG is at a time when you are already very stable - then you may well get 5 different answers because of meter tolerances, strip tolerances and how stable your BG actually is from moment to moment. I'm insulin dependent and use the Dexcom G7 CGM. That generates readings every 5 mins and sometimes the 5 min dots on the graph are very level and sometimes they aren't such a "flat" line. When I had Libre as my CGM I could get 1 min interval readings and the dots were even more wobbly, but still seemingly steady BG overall.

But the key thing here is how important is it for getting identical readings rather than similar readings? In practice the 15% tolerance is workable and @Docb, who has a long background in science and formal testing advocates that any BG meter reading should be rounded up or down to the nearest whole number. I happen to agree with that - not just because of the science or accuracy of the technology (which are valid enough reasons) - but the decimal point is disproportionately accurate in relation to what we need to know and what we do with the knowledge. So if I had 2 readings that were within 1.1 (ie just 1) I would take either answer and work with that.

By the time I've made my best calculation for the carbs I'm going to eat I already have some "guestimating" built in; for example we are told the carbs in a pear are (say) 11 CHO gms per 100 gm wt but how accurate are our scales and how ripe is the pear (the older a piece of fruit becomes the more it ripens and matures into a higher glucose content. Equally it may say on a packet of cereal that the carb content is (say) 53% but can we be certain that is exactly correct? I think absolutely not!

Then once we've translated the expected carb intake into units of insulin, we're using a guestimated conversion ratio and then applied an adjustment for planned activity (for breakfast doses) or completed activity (for evening meal) there is more guestimating. I'm not saying that it's all just a guess (so why bother at all?) - but just highlighting that despite our very best efforts there is still some uncertainty in our calculations and no point in getting too hung up on how precise a meter reading needs to be. The practical reality is that we steadily learn more and more about ourselves and normally get better at recognising when we are actually hypo or close to hypo with experience. If you have a CGM you should also increasingly lean on that to keep you safe; I keep my low alert at a safe setting of at least 5.6 and once that threshold is reached I make my informed decision about whether I need to react gently now or just pay more attention to the next reading, with a view to reacting then.

I'm not clear if you are using a Libre sensor. I read in one of the previous posts that you were concerned that your skin might react to the adhesive. Have you tried Libre yet?

However this morning's thread was from @Duane62 who had 2 meters showing his BG as 4 units adrift on 2 different test meters; and that really can't be ignored. We ended up discussing where or how he might get a calibration check of some sort for each device and thus decide which machine to trust. This is a dialogue in progress just now.

On a different point I see that your diagnosis is steroid induced diabetes. Are you now clear about how/why that type of Diabetes is neither T1 nor T2. I'm not medically qualified, but I would say you have actually one of the T3 variants, simply because it is steroid induced. If you would like a little more information about this aspect please ask. I realise you have all sorts of other health issues and appreciate one or more of those could be far more important to be successfully managed than your Diabetes (= another pointer to being a T3 variant).

Good luck.
 
Hello Wendy @SacrificedSin87,

Curiously this question came up in a different thread this morning and this concern has also been my experience in the past. The short answer seems to be that there is no answer .... sort of akin to how long is a ball of string.

As @Leadinglights has said every meter has a 15% tolerance. And if you used just one meter and tested 5 fingers in rapid succession - while your BG is at a time when you are already very stable - then you may well get 5 different answers because of meter tolerances, strip tolerances and how stable your BG actually is from moment to moment. I'm insulin dependent and use the Dexcom G7 CGM. That generates readings every 5 mins and sometimes the 5 min dots on the graph are very level and sometimes they aren't such a "flat" line. When I had Libre as my CGM I could get 1 min interval readings and the dots were even more wobbly, but still seemingly steady BG overall.

But the key thing here is how important is it for getting identical readings rather than similar readings? In practice the 15% tolerance is workable and @Docb, who has a long background in science and formal testing advocates that any BG meter reading should be rounded up or down to the nearest whole number. I happen to agree with that - not just because of the science or accuracy of the technology (which are valid enough reasons) - but the decimal point is disproportionately accurate in relation to what we need to know and what we do with the knowledge. So if I had 2 readings that were within 1.1 (ie just 1) I would take either answer and work with that.

By the time I've made my best calculation for the carbs I'm going to eat I already have some "guestimating" built in; for example we are told the carbs in a pear are (say) 11 CHO gms per 100 gm wt but how accurate are our scales and how ripe is the pear (the older a piece of fruit becomes the more it ripens and matures into a higher glucose content. Equally it may say on a packet of cereal that the carb content is (say) 53% but can we be certain that is exactly correct? I think absolutely not!

Then once we've translated the expected carb intake into units of insulin, we're using a guestimated conversion ratio and then applied an adjustment for planned activity (for breakfast doses) or completed activity (for evening meal) there is more guestimating. I'm not saying that it's all just a guess (so why bother at all?) - but just highlighting that despite our very best efforts there is still some uncertainty in our calculations and no point in getting too hung up on how precise a meter reading needs to be. The practical reality is that we steadily learn more and more about ourselves and normally get better at recognising when we are actually hypo or close to hypo with experience. If you have a CGM you should also increasingly lean on that to keep you safe; I keep my low alert at a safe setting of at least 5.6 and once that threshold is reached I make my informed decision about whether I need to react gently now or just pay more attention to the next reading, with a view to reacting then.

I'm not clear if you are using a Libre sensor. I read in one of the previous posts that you were concerned that your skin might react to the adhesive. Have you tried Libre yet?

However this morning's thread was from @Duane62 who had 2 meters showing his BG as 4 units adrift on 2 different test meters; and that really can't be ignored. We ended up discussing where or how he might get a calibration check of some sort for each device and thus decide which machine to trust. This is a dialogue in progress just now.

On a different point I see that your diagnosis is steroid induced diabetes. Are you now clear about how/why that type of Diabetes is neither T1 nor T2. I'm not medically qualified, but I would say you have actually one of the T3 variants, simply because it is steroid induced. If you would like a little more information about this aspect please ask. I realise you have all sorts of other health issues and appreciate one or more of those could be far more important to be successfully managed than your Diabetes (= another pointer to being a T3 variant).

Good luck.
It’s all still new to me so I’m kind of wearing my L plates as I’m learning to navigate my way through all this. I’ve found that I’m learning the signs of a hypo in myself and luckily it’s only happened once and it was only the beginning so we resolved it quickly. Felt like I’d had all my energy sucked out and ended up sleeping for the rest of the day (obviously my partner was monitoring me, waking me up every hour to check and make sure I was drinking and if needed he’d make me a snack).

My diabetes came about from both my steroid usage (15 years of prednisolone for severe asthma which still needs regular steroids, which has damaged both my bones and my adrenals so there’s little hope of ever getting off those little evil pills) and my own immune system attacking my body. I also have Crohn’s disease which again is caused by my immune system. It’s annoying because my when it comes to infections and viruses, my immune system is like “hey, come in! Get comfy… d’ya want anything…I’ll leave you to multiply…” but it attacks my body, like sometimes if I get certain bugs, my body decides to trigger an allergic reaction kind of response.

I think the T3 variants need to be more explored and more well known as I’m always explaining it to someone. Yesterday I was at a pre-op appointment (wisdom tooth surgery next week, that’ll be fun…) and I was surprised that the nurse understood me and corrected the file to specify as it just said “type 2” and “insulin dependent”.
 
Felt like I’d had all my energy sucked out and ended up sleeping for the rest of the day
Yes, that can happen. The generic advice is 15g and to wait 15 minutes (and that kind of thing), but it's certainly entirely possible to have a nasty hypo that means you don't feel right for hours (even once BG is back to normal).
 
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