4 year old boy told to carry out own injections at school

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Mind you, just read some of the comments and that's making my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I've posted it to the CWD list Becca.

Honestly, like you say, a 4 year old doing their own BG levels and then working out how much insulin to take? What planet are they on? I don't know the ins and outs of it but what about getting a specific member of staff in place? Or training up a TA or something???
 
Even worse is the idiotic reply in the first comment!

Well done to the school. It's a place of learning not a hospital or doctor's surgury. Some parents need to ask themselves why they send their kids to school?
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Hard to stop me from breaking my own forum rules on language!!! 😡😡😡😡
 
Snap! Plus the idiot can't spell 'surgery'...perhaps his parents didn't send him to school?
 
Hello,

Thats pretty harsh to expect a 4 year old to be able to calculate their own insulin requirements.

I suspect the first comment on that site is someone 'trolling' (looking to upset people) otherwise they are very ignorant. Would they seriously suggest that all children that have medical conditions (epilepsy, asthma, allergic reactions, etc) do not attend school in case they require medical intervention.

What is the world coming to with the PC brigade clamping down on everything, and the UK becoming ever more like the US and wanting to sue everyone or claiming to not being insured to do certain things!?!?

NiVZ
 
NiVZ said:
...I suspect the first comment on that site is someone 'trolling' (looking to upset people) otherwise they are very ignorant. ...NiVZ
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I think you are right. I've found that the problem with these online news sites is that their comments are very poorly moderated, if at all. :(
 
I... I'm gobsmacked! Utterly speachless!

Surely its not that har to wrok out insulin amount to carb amount, especially if given a ratio to work with!

Darn political correctness and unwillingness an *mutter grumble*
 
I find this so upsetting that rather pathetically it actually makes me feel a bit sick. Thank you for posting comments folks.
 
What an interesting thread- I have just asked a TA friend who is a 1st aider and also runs an out of school club providing breakfast and after school snacks and she said she has never been asked about this - a case of worry about it if it happens I suppose.

I can see how it could be difficult to approach staff to check levels, make a decision about a dose and then inject it - it is a big ask for someone and I imagine there would need to be more than one trained person on site. But then you can not discriminate against people because of a "disabilty" - I had a brief google on this one and it seems that in the USA there are all sorts of rulings in different states about this.

It is about time someone made a ruling and got off the fence and made financial provision for training to schools for their staff if the need arose - assuming this isn't already there.

I do recall that the school I mentioned above, had to advertise for a person to come into school for half an hour each day to change a young pupil's catheter- no member of staff would do it :(
 
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SacredHeart said:
WHOA. Read the comments:

Well done to the school. It's a place of learning not a hospital or doctor's surgury. Some parents need to ask themselves why they send their kids to school?
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Urm- it's the LAW?! How stupid are these people?? And why is this child being treated differently to any other child in the UK with Type 1 Diabetes??
 
Akasha said:
I... I'm gobsmacked! Utterly speachless!

Surely its not that har to wrok out insulin amount to carb amount, especially if given a ratio to work with!

Darn political correctness and unwillingness an *mutter grumble*
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Judging by some of the post on this board by adults, it isn't always easy to calculate the correct dosage. This is one problem that is bound to get worse and it all comes down to money. Where are school nurses? Treating a child's insulin dosage is a specialised job and should be funded by the council (or whoever funds the school) by provision of a specialist nurse, and they should be fully insured to do the job. Teachers are there to teach and I think it's unfair to ask them to do 'extra jobs'.
There are other conditions that have to be dealt with at schools and it's a big ask to lump this on a teacher.
Mind you considering some of the threads on this board about doctors and nurses incompetence would you trust one to inject your child every day.
 
I do agree that it shouldn't necessarily fall to the teacher in the first instance, unless they volunteer to do it - but if you read the comments, Becca has pointed out that the school can get funding to get a trained member of staff in, or someone in specifically to care for him and be trained up to do his injections.

I've heard of head teachers taking on the responsibility of doing it. Such a shame that it all comes down to attitude.
 
Vicsetter said:
Judging by some of the post on this board by adults, it isn't always easy to calculate the correct dosage. This is one problem that is bound to get worse and it all comes down to money. Where are school nurses? Treating a child's insulin dosage is a specialised job and should be funded by the council (or whoever funds the school) by provision of a specialist nurse, and they should be fully insured to do the job. Teachers are there to teach and I think it's unfair to ask them to do 'extra jobs'.
There are other conditions that have to be dealt with at schools and it's a big ask to lump this on a teacher.
Mind you considering some of the threads on this board about doctors and nurses incompetence would you trust one to inject your child every day.
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You are quite right, working out insulin doses is an extremely difficult thing to do - hence the reason that it shouldnt be left on the shoulders of a 4 year old child. I agree that there *should* be a school nurse or someone specifically trained to help a diabetic child to lead as normal a life as possible within school. The problem is that at the moment, there is actually no legal requirement on schools to offer such a service. It is simply down to whether anyone wants to volunteer or not!
This situation has to change - it is almost barbaric to expect a young child to take on the full responsibility of his/her diabetic care at such a tender age.

There are some schools who are brilliant and help wherever they can, but sadly there are also some schools who see diabetic children as a 'burden' and would probably prefer them to be home-schooled so they dont have to accomodate them!

I know of a child who is not allowed to talk about his diabetes and isnt allowed to show his pump in class - in case it offends any other children!!!!!!!! This child is just 6 years old and what sort of message is that school giving to the child and its peers?

Diabetics are not lepers - and they shouldnt be treated as such - and denying a child the basic human right of making sure he has his medication so he can stay alive and at school is beyond words!😱

I am almost tempted to use bad language - but i wont stoop to that level!:D🙂Bev
 
Vicsetter said:
Judging by some of the post on this board by adults, it isn't always easy to calculate the correct dosage. This is one problem that is bound to get worse and it all comes down to money. Where are school nurses? Treating a child's insulin dosage is a specialised job and should be funded by the council (or whoever funds the school) by provision of a specialist nurse, and they should be fully insured to do the job. Teachers are there to teach and I think it's unfair to ask them to do 'extra jobs'.
There are other conditions that have to be dealt with at schools and it's a big ask to lump this on a teacher.
Mind you considering some of the threads on this board about doctors and nurses incompetence would you trust one to inject your child every day.
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Having been at the receiving end of a school not taking any responsibility and wanting my daughter, aged 5, to be doing her own care, i can get slightly overheated when i read things like the article. Rose was not allowed in school for 5 weeks as they woudn't have her in without me or my husband being there, despite being at the school for the previous 6 months and they cared for her. They decided at the grand old age of 5 and entering year 1 she should be doing it herself :confused:

No one is suggesting it should be the teachers doing the role, least of all me, they have enough to do with 30 odd kids😉 TAs or LSAs should be the ones trained to look after the children with diabetes. Having said that, when we moved Rose to another school 2 miles away, 6 volunteers came forward to do BMs and injections, one of which included the head....Heads should be actively looking for staff members albeit the caretaker, the cook, the TAs etc etc to take on the role.

Children with diabetes can be put on School Action Plus which means funding is available for someone to take on the role. This person will have it written into their contract of their duties. A school might like to have additional staff members trained in case the main person is away etc...

Most of children's care plans whilst at school actually don't ask the volunteer to guess the dosage. There would be on the care plan if so and so is under 10mmol/l give x amount, if over 15 give x amount, if under 5, wait till after lunch to give dose and give x amount. So guess work is normally taken out of the equation.

Until the Managing Medicines document is altered or made law instead of guidance, schools can continue to pick and choose what pupils they take, which i find extremely sad. My daughter was discriminated at and she was only 5, it seriously made me think what else life had in store for her :(
 
Akasha said:
I... I'm gobsmacked! Utterly speachless!

Surely its not that har to wrok out insulin amount to carb amount, especially if given a ratio to work with!
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They don't necessarily even need to do that. I send both my diabetic kids to school with a 60-carb lunch every day and strict instructions to eat the lot. I tell the teacher how much insulin each child needs, and when we change the ratios I tell them the new amount. So far, no problems! Mind you, we have a nice school with a sensible headteacher who got as many staff as possible trained to do the injections. 🙂
 
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