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Hi, i am new here but I have something important to say.

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I have TWO of my good friends off all of there T2 meds. Well done Stephen. Keep at it 🙂
 
It can be done. Well done you.

Even if the key to cure T1 was cutting out cheese, I don't think I ever could haha! Love it.
 
Yes several members here have been able to reduce or stop medication through changes to their diet. It's not possible for everyone, so there's no judgement here if people need a bit of pharmaceutical support to help their metabolisms. Your Diabetes May Vary etc.

Surprised that your Drs said it was not possible. There have been some very high profile research projects in recent years which have published research about putting T2 into remission (eg DiReCT). https://www.diabetes.org.uk/researc...scotland/the-direct-route-to-type-2-remission
 
I have sent my type 2 diabetes into remission by eating a whole food plant based nutrition and have been taken off of all medication by my astounded UK doctor's who said it was not possible.
This has taken me just six months.
Happy to give information.

Always good to hear an encouraging story - love to hear the details.

I'm eating Med-style - mainly plant-based with some fish & chicken & a small amount of dairy. It seems to be working well; recent avg daily BG in the 5.5 - 6.5 range, notching down. Dunno what it would look like without the Metformin & not super-eager to experiment with that, but would be good to have the option at some point.

Actually, I'm finding that upping fibre to 30g+ daily seems to have a big beneficial effect. Was that a focus for you?
 
Actually, I reckon it'd be interesting & useful to put together little personal case studies from the T2's here who gotten their HbA1c's down to some appropriate level, with or without meds, for some reasonable time. So including both "remission" and "excellent control" or whatever.

Maybe give people & newbies in particular some ideas for strategies & what might be possible for them.
 
Actually, I reckon it'd be interesting & useful to put together little personal case studies from the T2's here who gotten their HbA1c's down to some appropriate level, with or without meds, for some reasonable time. So including both "remission" and "excellent control" or whatever.

Maybe give people & newbies in particular some ideas for strategies & what might be possible for them.
How about Duk doing a survey or some Uni. 🙂
 
Yes several members here have been able to reduce or stop medication through changes to their diet. It's not possible for everyone, so there's no judgement here if people need a bit of pharmaceutical support to help their metabolisms. Your Diabetes May Vary etc.

Surprised that your Drs said it was not possible. There have been some very high profile research projects in recent years which have published research about putting T2 into remission (eg DiReCT). https://www.diabetes.org.uk/researc...scotland/the-direct-route-to-type-2-remission

I think "med free" can be a false goal. Personally, I want to stay on metformin.
 
I think "med free" can be a false goal. Personally, I want to stay on metformin.

T2 is a broad church. For some folk, being med free is an attainable goal, not a false one. For some folk it isn’t attainable. It’s not a matter of choice.

Well done Stephen. I couldn’t become vegan, because I’m an incurable carnivore, but more power to your elbow🙂
 
T2 is a broad church. For some folk, being med free is an attainable goal, not a false one. For some folk it isn’t attainable. It’s not a matter of choice.

Well done Stephen. I couldn’t become vegan, because I’m an incurable carnivore, but more power to your elbow🙂

I'm med free.
I didn't want to be.
Metformin seems to have other benefits than diabetes.
My surgery refused to prescribe again.
 
I've been med free for over a year based on a very low carb diet & exercise...

The trick is to find out what works for you and is sustainable (for life), there are many approaches to this but to find out what is right requires seeking out what suits your lifestyle & testing. For many, coming off meds may not be an option; this is not an admission of defeat but just a fact of life. Myself, I had such a rough time on glyburide that I had to find something else that worked & fortunately I did, after months of experimentation.

The fact that you astounded your Dr.'s is quite astounding in of itself. With good control, many people can come off of meds.
 
Well Stephen welcome to the forum, its always nice to hear a positive outcome, so well done to you🙂.🙂
 
T2 is a broad church. For some folk, being med free is an attainable goal, not a false one. For some folk it isn’t attainable. It’s not a matter of choice.

Well done Stephen. I couldn’t become vegan, because I’m an incurable carnivore, but more power to your elbow🙂
Nor me Mikey B. I love my dairy too much. As I have recently suffered with iron deficiency due to blood donoring I would be concerned I may end up B12 or iron deficient. Like a bit of meat too. Also a fish addict and don't get me started on cheese (yum).
 
It's somewhat ironic that the next 2 suggested videos (after watching this one) were Tim Noakes & Jason Fung.... 2 low carb advocates😱
 
It’s good that it worked for you, but others have achieved the same thing with the help of a different diet. It’s quite a personal issue that everyone must make a decision on based on what is right for them.
 
I had the great fortune to meet this guy on several occasions so followed his advice with amazing results.

T2 is a broad church. For some folk, being med free is an attainable goal, not a false one. For some folk it isn’t attainable. It’s not a matter of choice.

Well done Stephen. I couldn’t become vegan, because I’m an incurable carnivore, but more power to your elbow🙂

This video was eye opening!

But, I don't think I could go completely meat free either!
 
I had the great fortune to meet this guy on several occasions so followed his advice with amazing results.


Personally, I'm dubious about approaches which make a *feature* of tightly restricting any particular class of macro-nutrient: protein, carbs or fats. Don't claim to be any kind of expert, but approaches which place more stress on the source of nutrients, rather than the precise mix, to me make more sense.

In this case, cutting eg nuts & avocados (which I think would be part of low-fat vegan?) because they have too much fat doesn't make any sense to me. The same way that radically cutting fruit in radical LCHF approaches, because it has too many carbs, doesn't make much sense to me either.

So if eating-to-the-meter leads you to reduce carbs, that's fine, so long as you replace them with fats & proteins mainly from plant sources. At the moment I do about 150g carbs per day, and maybe 75g fats, plus (crucially?) 30g+ fibre, all mainly from not-very-processed plant sources plus some fish and chicken. This places me well outside what's normally thought of as LCHF and also low-fat vegan, but for the moment it seems to be working fine.

Obviously, that's just me and I wouldn't dream of laying down the law for anybody else. Unless somebody offered me a whole bunch of money for a miracle diet book & I got to go on TV 🙂 But really the book title would have to be something like "Dr Eddy's Miracle Mainstream Endorsed By the Great Majority of Credible Nutrition Experts Diet" so probably not a best-seller prospect.

Currently my provisional nutrition guru is David Katz https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-l...p-faclm-4798667/detail/recent-activity/posts/ (as a policy, my gurus are always provisional gurus!) Dead centre in the mainstream, respectful of vegans in general, advocate of Mediterranean and similar mainly plant-based, minimally processed, everything-in-moderation approaches.

He co-authored a review which I've found very helpful: https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-032013-182351

There have been no rigorous, long-term studies comparing contenders for best diet laurels using methodology that precludes bias and confounding, and for many reasons such studies are unlikely. In the absence of such direct comparisons, claims for the established superiority of any one specific diet over others are exaggerated. The weight of evidence strongly supports a theme of healthful eating while allowing for variations on that theme. A diet of minimally processed foods close to nature, predominantly plants, is decisively associated with health promotion and disease prevention and is consistent with the salient components of seemingly distinct dietary approaches. Efforts to improve public health through diet are forestalled not for want of knowledge about the optimal feeding of Homo sapiens but for distractions associated with exaggerated claims, and our failure to convert what we reliably know into what we routinely do.

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The aggregation of evidence in support of (a) diets comprising preferentially minimally processed foods direct from nature and food made up of such ingredients, (b) diets comprising mostly plants, and (c) diets in which animal foods are themselves the products, directly or ultimately, of pure plant foods—the composition of animal flesh and milk is as much influenced by diet as we are (31)—is noteworthy for its breadth, depth, diversity of methods, and consistency of findings. The case that we should, indeed, eat true food, mostly plants, is all but incontrovertible. Perhaps fortuitously, this same dietary theme offers considerable advantages to other species, the environment around us, and even the ecology within us (136).

An important aspect of this message is that the same basic dietary pattern exerts favorable influences across a wide spectrum of health conditions. The notions that some combination of foods or nutrients is most important to the prevention and management of diabetes whereas another is most important to cardiovascular disease never made much sense and was very impractical: Given that people with diabetes are at heightened risk of cardiovascular disease, which should they choose?
 
Well done, StephenTheVegan. 🙂
 
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