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The Truth About Carbs

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I'm lucky as I have never been invited to one of these 'educational' courses so have not made my diabetes worse. What is DUK doing to challenge the appalling advice given by some in the NHS?
 
DaveB said:
I'm lucky as I have never been invited to one of these 'educational' courses so have not made my diabetes worse. What is DUK doing to challenge the appalling advice given by some in the NHS?
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DUK have finally endorsed the low carb approach to diet Dave...however they recommend low carb & low fat...disappointing to have only come half way there...in answer to your question...only DUK can answer that...perhaps that might be one you could address to @Hannah DUK
 
DaveB said:
I'm lucky as I have never been invited to one of these 'educational' courses so have not made my diabetes worse. What is DUK doing to challenge the appalling advice given by some in the NHS?
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Nor have I actually
 
I found the diabetes prevention programme helpful in that they checked the hba1c every 3 months but I was not impressed with the "eat well" plate as I felt it was too heavily in favour of "beige carbs" they mentioned the other night in "The Truth About Carbs."

When I was underweight they kept saying to me "introduce more carbs." I didn't because that was caused the trouble in the first place. Obviously, I eat some - salad/veg/some fruit but not too much but don't want to be eating bread, potatoes, pasta and rice at every meal.
 
toby said:
Freeze the sliced loaf laying flat on a even surface, that way the slices don't stick together and are easily parted, if you freeze the loaf standing on its end the slices tend to stick together and break up when trying to part them.

Ref the eatwell plate, never heard of it until it was mentioned on a diabetes forum where they are obsessed with pulling down the medical profession.
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On a flat surface...I'm not sure what you mean..
 
I think the thing that upset me most, was that the two people who had been re-referred had been following the dietary advice, one for 16 years and the other for 7 (Mr toast and jam man) and both reported that they had steadily been getting worse. Go figure ...

It's not just shocking, it's dangerous.
 
Ruby/London said:
Having attended a DESMOND course yesterday, I'd say health professionals have still got a long way to go. The course offered very sound medical information, delivered by, I have to say, a very nice but very overweight nurse who probably did her training in the 50s. I have a problem with health professionals who dole out advice they are clearly not following themselves. I thought the dietary advice was a bit off whack - all about lowering fat and calories and nothing about the effect of carbs. I asked the trainer what she thought about the new research on low carb, short term low cal diet studies and she dismissed them as being too miserable.🙄 I felt people could have been better informed ...
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I don't find fat shaming anyone acceptable sorry.
You take one look at anyone overweight, and simply think they have a bad diet, and decide its all their own fault for not doing anything about it.
Not a brilliant attitude to be honest.
 
Travellor, If I attend a health programme and a health professional is lecturing me on my obesity as a causal factor in T2 diabetes and my health and fitness, I expect them to practising what they preach, if only so that I can believe that what they are saying actually works. That is not fat shaming. That is wanting to see what the NHS refers to as evidence based practice.
 
Ruby/London said:
Travellor, If I attend a health programme and a health professional is lecturing me on my obesity as a causal factor in T2 diabetes and my health and fitness, I expect them to practising what they preach, if only so that I can believe that what they are saying actually works. That is not fat shaming. That is wanting to see what the NHS refers to as evidence based practice.
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Seriously, so, as a fat diabetic I couldn't tell you to low carb, as I'm fat so you judge me based solely on looks, and obviously if I wasn't the classic slim stereotype, I must know nothing about healthy eating??
Nope, you are fat shaming, based solely on how the person looks, with no idea why they are overweight, you have decided they simply overeat, and it can't be any other health issue.

And even worse, you actually had likes for de-humanising the nurse that was attempting to help you.
I would have thought as type 2's we get enough, "oh, you''re type 2 because you're fat, and you're fat because you eat too much"
But apparently if you put health professional in bold, it's ok to do the same to them?

No, it's not alright.
There are many other things that cause weight gain!
 
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Ruby/London said:
Travellor, If I attend a health programme and a health professional is lecturing me on my obesity as a causal factor in T2 diabetes and my health and fitness, I expect them to practising what they preach, if only so that I can believe that what they are saying actually works. That is not fat shaming. That is wanting to see what the NHS refers to as evidence based practice.
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Judging a person does not define who they are, it defines who you are.

Martin9 said:
On a flat surface...I'm not sure what you mean..
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OK flat, the slices don't tend to stick together when it freezes as opposed to storing it the other way.
 
travellor said:
Nope, you are fat shaming, based solely on how the person looks, with no idea why they are overweight, you have decided they simply overeat, and it can't be any other health issue.

And even worse, you actually had likes for de-humanising the nurse that was attempting to help you.
I would have thought as type 2's we get enough, "oh, you''re type 2 because you're fat, and you're fat because you eat too much"
But apparently if you put health professional in bold, it's ok to do the same to them?

No, it's not alright.
There are many other things that cause weight gain!
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I do sympathise and agree that fat shaming is awful, however in this instance the person concerned was actually giving unhelpful advice, so perhaps she is following it after all.
 
Gosh, Trevellor I wasn't aware that you knew me well enough to tell me what my intentions are or what I am thinking. You seem to be framing and answering your opinion, not mine

The trainer was advocating a diet plan to address my own and others obesity, which from her own BMI she clearly didn't follow or it doesn't work. It also wasn't working for the other two people who had been following the advice after many years of following the standard diet advice she was giving or myself, whose carb overeating, sedentary habits have led to high bg glucose and high blood pressure. The trainer didn't share the reasons for being overweight, other than she wasn't diabetic and I presume you have no special knowledge about her weight either? Personally, I think health professionals have to practice what they preach if they want people to take their advice seriously. I work in the health profession. I am also overweight. I know there are many reasons why people gain weight, the side effects of medication being just one and I wouldn't be prepared to defend an outdated diet plan that does not have good outcomes for people.

For those that have been on the course, you will be familiar with the food exercises and the sugar cubes, similar to what was shown on The Truth about Carbs show. I agree that baked potatoes are probably better than chips but at a substantial carb intake that is a substantial carb intake, especially if you have started the day with bread and jams albeit sugar free jam. Telling already fat people (me) to follow this advice goes against new medical opinion.

I described the trainer as " a very nice but very overweight nurse who probably did her training in the 50s" Travellor you came back with:

"Seriously, so, as a fat diabetic I couldn't tell you to low carb, as I'm fat so you judge me based solely on looks, and obviously if I wasn't the classic slim stereotype, I must know nothing about healthy eating??
Nope, you are fat shaming, based solely on how the person looks, with no idea why they are overweight, you have decided they simply overeat, and it can't be any other health issue.

And even worse, you actually had likes for de-humanising the nurse that was attempting to help you.

I would have thought as type 2's we get enough, "oh, you''re type 2 because you're fat, and you're fat because you eat too much"
But apparently if you put health professional in bold, it's ok to do the same to them?"

The two scenarios are not comparable. My statement was contextual and I didn't describe her as fat. I am challenging the logic and the advice and for the record I am more overweight that she was.
 
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It's the Hambleton bakery in Exhall, in Rutland.
They use traditional methods wich results in smaller loaves that take longer to make.. they taste about a thousand times better than the average loaf on offer in the supermarkets, maybe two thousand...
The methods used rely less on the machinery and improvers. More like home baking, ironically.
I worked a shift there as part of my training.. love their big wood-burning oven which looks about 150 years old but are made to order in Barcelona..
 
I prefer not to comment on other people's weight. I had enough of it when I was at work when I went underweight following my pre-diabetic diagnosis two years ago. I started following a lower carb diet and went underweight because \I had not substituted enough other types of food. One of my colleagues constantly making comments was overweight which I could not care less about but I would prefer not to keep having remarks made about me. She is not diabetic or pre-diabetic either. My friend's brother is 23 stone and not pre-diabetic or diabetic. I appreciate that kind of weight is not desirable, of course. The husband of one of my friends is underweight and is diabetic so it is not always weight related even though a lot of people and the media keep saying it is.

Even the surgeon I used to work with said to me he was astonished as he had never seen me overweight.

The same colleague was out with me last night and had to put a comment in when I did not want a dessert and say that she had just had a cholesterol test and was fine and she was not diabetic so she was going to continuing eating her dessert and didn't care about her weight. I don't know why she keeps making comments about this as I have never referred to her weight, nor would I. suppose I should ask her.
 
In any other context I wouldn't comment on people's weight either. I work in mental health and know that weight is a complex issue, at either end of the spectrum.

I have just finished watching The Truth about Carbs and believe it is a public education in itself. I have watched a couple of the health and diet programmes made by this doctor, one involving his identical twin, also a doctor, on the effect of fat and sugar and, as much as I would like to ignore it, the evidence is compelling. I almost cheered when the said the low carb programme was going to be rolled out to other GPs across the country. Hopefully, the dietary element of DESMOND will be altered to reflect the new knowledge.
 
It's Hambleton Bakery, based in Exton, near Oakham.

One of their shops is in our town - products look wonderful, but very pricey!
 
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