• Please Remember: Members are only permitted to share their own experiences. Members are not qualified to give medical advice. Additionally, everyone manages their health differently. Please be respectful of other people's opinions about their own diabetes management.
  • We seem to be having technical difficulties with new user accounts. If you are trying to register please check your Spam or Junk folder for your confirmation email. If you still haven't received a confirmation email, please reach out to our support inbox: support.forum@diabetes.org.uk

Low carb for kids

Status
This thread is now closed. Please contact Anna DUK, Ieva DUK or everydayupsanddowns if you would like it re-opened.

Shivles

Well-Known Member
Relationship to Diabetes
Parent of person with diabetes
Before anyone says, I am meeting with daughters dietitian to discuss but I already know it's not at all harmful for kids to follow LCHF 🙂

Daughter is 16 months so obviously right now it would be fairly easy to control her food, I'm interested to hear how certain situations get handled as they get older though, birthday parties for example, do you let them explore with their options a bit more or try to keep it strict? While I want to keep her blood sugar stable I also want to prevent full scale rebellion as soon as she's out of my sight  🙄
 
Hi

There are others who I'm sure will reply soon who have experience with kids or had diabetes as kids but my perspective is this: when I was first diagnosed (this was before I knew that the advice I was given about carbs was all wrong) I was very strict with myself, cutting out all sugary treats until a month later on my birthday I realised that I had this for the rest of my life, so started relaxing a bit. I have struggled all my life with a mild eating disorder, but when I am in a good place I can manage to work out how far to go with the occasional treats and work out how to minimise the reduction in my control.
I wish you the best of luck, what does LO's Dad say about it?
 
Hi

There are others who I'm sure will reply soon who have experience with kids or had diabetes as kids but my perspective is this: when I was first diagnosed (this was before I knew that the advice I was given about carbs was all wrong) I was very strict with myself, cutting out all sugary treats until a month later on my birthday I realised that I had this for the rest of my life, so started relaxing a bit. I have struggled all my life with a mild eating disorder, but when I am in a good place I can manage to work out how far to go with the occasional treats and work out how to minimise the reduction in my control.
I wish you the best of luck, what does LO's Dad say about it?

I do LCHF myself so at home I'll be able to make some nice treat food for her, it's more school age it will become an issue I think.

Dad is reluctant as he feels she should be able to eat how everyone else does however he can see that it's not working, what the dietician says will influence him I think. The DSN saying she clearly needs lower carbs was a surprise to him I think although I hope like me he knew instinctively that this daily roller coaster isn't right for LO. There's a little struggle with dad as he knows a diet like mine would be good for him but he likes sweets too much 🙄
 
i can't remember which fast acting insulin she takes; if not Apidra have you considered asking for it? A lot of DSNs seem to think it's just the same as Novorapid but it isn't, it has a much shorter and quicker duration. It suited me far better than any other and I wouldn't change back now.
 
i can't remember which fast acting insulin she takes; if not Apidra have you considered asking for it? A lot of DSNs seem to think it's just the same as Novorapid but it isn't, it has a much shorter and quicker duration. It suited me far better than any other and I wouldn't change back now.
She's on Novorapid, just Googled it and apidra is only for 4 years and over
 
There is no reason why she can't do lower carb now and higher carb when she's 4-5. I'm more inclined to get over this rough patch first, any way that works for you. I would think the main thing is to keep her bloods in range, to keep her on the growth curve and a good IQ
 
This is why I'm so frustrated, her age makes everything that much more difficult, she can't even have a CGM until she's 2 :/
 
I would let them explore their options for food, for several reasons
  • It stops them feeling different to the other kids
  • It stops other kids seeing them as different
  • Living with diabetes is about learning how to make diabetes fit round your life, not the other way around. If you always avoid the 'bad' things, you never learn how to manage them and you always miss out
  • If you learn to look at food in dispassionate, "it does X to my blood sugar terms", you end up with a much healthier relationship with food. Having foods that are forbidden or 'bad' in your head puts you well on your way to an eating disorder. I realise all that is a LONG way off for your daughter right now but it's important to build good habits at a young age.
 
Yes I want to avoid the kind of thing my OH had to deal with as a kid, for example his mum tells me with a laugh he didn't know the ice cream man sold ice creams until he was 10! He just thought is was a music van.... as you can imagine as soon as he was able he ate all the sweets under the sun and still does 🙄
 
Watch out for them music vans ! Really good luck from someone who has been T1 from 3yrs old.
 
This is why I'm so frustrated, her age makes everything that much more difficult, she can't even have a CGM until she's 2 :/
There is no reason not to use a CGM before she is two just because it isn't approved doesn't mean it can't be used. I suspect if you read the patient leaflet for her insulin it probably says not to be used in under two year olds.


What is NovoRapid used for?
NovoRapid is used to treat adults, adolescents and children over the age of two years who have diabetes.

Levemir is also used to treat type 1 diabetes in adults and children who are at least 2 years old.

So if you see my point there is obviously no reason not to use a CGM
 
I'm guessing that things don't often get 'approved' for under-2s simply because they don't get tested fully on them (possibly due to shortage of test subjects), but doesn't mean there is any danger in using them.
 
I'm guessing that things don't often get 'approved' for under-2s simply because they don't get tested fully on them (possibly due to shortage of test subjects), but doesn't mean there is any danger in using them.

I thought it was something that would be prescribed so wouldnt have got one but I realise now it would more than likely be self funded so will look into it more 🙂
 
Hi, just seen this thread.

Personally I would NOT a recommend a low carb diet for children and I would be very surprised to hear of a PDSN advocating this. Children are constantly expending energy for growing and playing, and their bodies do need nutrients from ALL food groups. At a time when their brain is developing rapidly, it is unwise to experiment with cutting out major food groups. The best diet for a child with or without type 1 diabetes is a healthy balanced diet including a wide variety of carbs, protein, fat and fruit&veg, with suitably sized portions appropriate to the child's age. The best drink is plain water.

Socially, it would be very hard for a child of school age to follow a low carb diet. Invitations for play dates will be few and far between if other parents think catering will be difficult (there will already be hesitation to invite a child with diabetes, don't make it harder by insisting on a restrictive diet). Kids' parties inevitably involve chips, biscuits, cakes - it's "normal" party food and perfectly fine if it's not an everyday menu. As they get older (teenage), the need to fit in with their peers is massive - you can teach them sensible eating and snacking habits, but if you put them in a straitjacket they'll just find their own way of eating the things they want. When my son was younger we had "sugary Saturday" when he was allowed to have Coco Pops and toast and honey...he still voluntarily sticks to this once a week "treat breakfast" even now he's 15. Sweets were more restricted by me than some parents would, but not totally forbidden, and even now if he goes to the cinema he'll take a treat sized packet of sweets while his mates buy those huge bags (meant for sharing but they have one each) and super sized fizzy drinks. So it's a good idea to deny them nothing, but teach them moderation.

Low carbing is of benefit to people with type 2 because it reduces the need for insulin (which they are not producing effectively or are not sufficiently sensitive to). It is NOT the same for people with type 1, who have the choice of matching their carb intake with insulin, ie it is perfectly possible to maintain good blood glucose levels eating whatever carbs you like as long as you match with insulin (the difficulty lies in getting the dose and timing/duration right, and this is easier with a pump than with injections). However, many type 1 adults do find that their levels stay more stable with lower carbs and thus lower insulin doses - but you must bear in mind that the typical adult has a much more stable and predictable routine than the typical child (who also has growth hormones interfering).
 
Hi, just seen this thread.

Personally I would NOT a recommend a low carb diet for children and I would be very surprised to hear of a PDSN advocating this. Children are constantly expending energy for growing and playing, and their bodies do need nutrients from ALL food groups. At a time when their brain is developing rapidly, it is unwise to experiment with cutting out major food groups. The best diet for a child with or without type 1 diabetes is a healthy balanced diet including a wide variety of carbs, protein, fat and fruit&veg, with suitably sized portions appropriate to the child's age. The best drink is plain water.

Socially, it would be very hard for a child of school age to follow a low carb diet. Invitations for play dates will be few and far between if other parents think catering will be difficult (there will already be hesitation to invite a child with diabetes, don't make it harder by insisting on a restrictive diet). Kids' parties inevitably involve chips, biscuits, cakes - it's "normal" party food and perfectly fine if it's not an everyday menu. As they get older (teenage), the need to fit in with their peers is massive - you can teach them sensible eating and snacking habits, but if you put them in a straitjacket they'll just find their own way of eating the things they want. When my son was younger we had "sugary Saturday" when he was allowed to have Coco Pops and toast and honey...he still voluntarily sticks to this once a week "treat breakfast" even now he's 15. Sweets were more restricted by me than some parents would, but not totally forbidden, and even now if he goes to the cinema he'll take a treat sized packet of sweets while his mates buy those huge bags (meant for sharing but they have one each) and super sized fizzy drinks. So it's a good idea to deny them nothing, but teach them moderation.

Low carbing is of benefit to people with type 2 because it reduces the need for insulin (which they are not producing effectively or are not sufficiently sensitive to). It is NOT the same for people with type 1, who have the choice of matching their carb intake with insulin, ie it is perfectly possible to maintain good blood glucose levels eating whatever carbs you like as long as you match with insulin (the difficulty lies in getting the dose and timing/duration right, and this is easier with a pump than with injections). However, many type 1 adults do find that their levels stay more stable with lower carbs and thus lower insulin doses - but you must bear in mind that the typical adult has a much more stable and predictable routine than the typical child (who also has growth hormones interfering).
With respect there's plenty of evidence that low carb isn't harmful for children, I appreciate most advice is still behind on this though and many HCPs are misinformed.

Still it would be a struggle to implement such a diet so it would be a desperate measure, I'd much rather her insulin work as it should and her be able to eat what all her friends will be as she grows up 🙂
 
Status
This thread is now closed. Please contact Anna DUK, Ieva DUK or everydayupsanddowns if you would like it re-opened.
Back
Top