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Meat and cheese..
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HERE TINTIN
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Hi Pete I once asked at diabetic clinic if I could go on high protein diet and they were horrified at the very thought ! They were like all these people on the Atkins diet will have kidney problems at some stage !, so that told me !! What can we eat ? I guess moderation in everything is true, I am strugglimg with my diet and only eating 3 times a day. Want to chew my own arm off in evening 
HERE TINTIN
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How many grams of carb do you eat a day ? So long as you eat vegetables, some carbs and some protein that sounds like a balanced diet.(sort of ) If you are healthy and get your vitamins from veg and supplements if you need them that sounds ok. If I lose my chocolate cravings it will be a miracle
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Moderate everything in types of food (including alchohol) - not high nor low anything.
My own favourite tweak (having been normal weight all my life, before and during diabetes) is to be more active so I can eat more 🙂 Every journey by bike or on foot instead of motor vehicle means I can eat more chocolate, for example, if I choose. Currently beginning to think about food for a 3 day mountain race in May 🙂
But no smoking.
My own favourite tweak (having been normal weight all my life, before and during diabetes) is to be more active so I can eat more 🙂 Every journey by bike or on foot instead of motor vehicle means I can eat more chocolate, for example, if I choose. Currently beginning to think about food for a 3 day mountain race in May 🙂
But no smoking.
HERE TINTIN
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I take a vit supplement, its nice and easy ! Why such a rough day ?, was it busy ? Have to dash off Pete going to nurse to get bloods taken for renal clinic. Pick up this thread later after your work ?, hope you have a better day today. I am swanning off for a pub lunch, heaven knows what I will eat !🙂
Copepod
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Thought it would be a good idea to post a link to an example article about topic being discussed here: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/04/animal-protein-diets-smoking-meat-eggs-dairy
HERE TINTIN
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Thank you copepod, that was very interesting. I have a friend whose been on the Atkins diet for nearly 20 years on and off, he no longer loses weight but sticks to it. I have tried to pusuade him of the dangers but he doesnt believe me and he constantly smells of ketones. Hes as fit as a fiddle (apart from being overweight ), plays squash, walks etc so he will never believe me. But I still think he is storing up health problems for himself,, hes 67 now, maybe this article will make him listen !
DeusXM
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I'd have thought that sticking to a diet for 20 years, and being very fit and active at the age of 67, would be pretty compelling proof that there aren't that many dangers being stored up! 😎
As ever though, this is lazy reporting. The Atkins and Paleo diets are NOT high protein diets, they are high fat diets. You'll also notice that the people studied had over half of their calories come from carbohydrates, so clearly the people studied were not on low-carb diets or any of the branded diets accused of being a problem. If I were a more disruptive person, I'd suggest the average diet on test was actually far closer to that recommended by Diabetes UK/NHS etc., rather than a low-carb diet!
In fact, the ones on 'moderate' protein were typically eating the level you'd expect - Atkins/Paleo is generally 70% fat, 20% protein and 10% carbohydrate so even their protein consumption would be 'moderate' by the standards of the sample.
Furthermore, there is little distinction about the kind of animal protein. My gut instinct is that eating a lot of beef from cows raised on corn, hormones, antibiotics and god knows what else (as would be the case as this was an American study) carries a greater risk of danger than eating a lot of beef from more traditionally raised cows, which may be the case in Europe.
A four-fold increase in risk is also not statistically interesting without a baseline to go on. It might sound like a lot, but if your risk of heart disease on a plant protein diet is 1%, a four-fold increase is still just 4% - not an increase that's likely to discourage me from eating cheese.
So in other words, potentially a lot of nonsense in this study.
As ever though, this is lazy reporting. The Atkins and Paleo diets are NOT high protein diets, they are high fat diets. You'll also notice that the people studied had over half of their calories come from carbohydrates, so clearly the people studied were not on low-carb diets or any of the branded diets accused of being a problem. If I were a more disruptive person, I'd suggest the average diet on test was actually far closer to that recommended by Diabetes UK/NHS etc., rather than a low-carb diet!
In fact, the ones on 'moderate' protein were typically eating the level you'd expect - Atkins/Paleo is generally 70% fat, 20% protein and 10% carbohydrate so even their protein consumption would be 'moderate' by the standards of the sample.
Furthermore, there is little distinction about the kind of animal protein. My gut instinct is that eating a lot of beef from cows raised on corn, hormones, antibiotics and god knows what else (as would be the case as this was an American study) carries a greater risk of danger than eating a lot of beef from more traditionally raised cows, which may be the case in Europe.
A four-fold increase in risk is also not statistically interesting without a baseline to go on. It might sound like a lot, but if your risk of heart disease on a plant protein diet is 1%, a four-fold increase is still just 4% - not an increase that's likely to discourage me from eating cheese.
So in other words, potentially a lot of nonsense in this study.
Moderation in all things and keep away from processed foods.
I have some minor kidney problems due to too much protein. I also have pancreas problems due to too much sugar 🙂 My brother has liver problems due to too much alcohol and my dad had lung problems due to too much smoking.
My mum had many problems due to not eating enough.
If your teeth and hair don't fall out, your organs pack up. If they stay OK, your mind goes and if not your mind, your limbs won't do what they used to.
Hearing seems to be the last thing to pack up. Thank goodness for Radio 4.
HERE TINTIN
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Pardon ?
Whatever you do, something somewhere starts to pack up. You can try to alleviate the process to some degree by eating in moderation and eating a varied diet but evolution is a chance process. What suits some people won't suit other people. Keep things varied.
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