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[mcdonagh47]

DiABETES UK are advertising Tesco and the Tesco diets on their website now ...

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Food_and_recipes/Recipes/Tesco-Diets/

Tesco has a Diabetes Support Diet , banana smoothie and cheese on toast for breakfast anyone ? ....

http://www.tescodiets.com/px/diet-plans/diets/Diabetes

and on this page Tesco seem to have taken the DiABETES UK logo hostage ...
http://www.tescobank.com/personal/finance/community/national-charity-partner.html

 

[HOBIE]

I think its GOOD for us. Every time a cash point is used they donate to "DUK" 😉

 

[AlisonM]

I had a brief look but when the steam started coming out of my ears I decided it was bad for my blood pressure and gave up. If they were planning to do some 'real' research with the cash it might be worth the agony, but....

 

[FM001]

All to a worthy cause, with luck they'll reach the 10 million target before the year is out.

 

[trophywench]

Well they do fund real research. They are funding some that's being done at King's College Hospital this very year, the start of a mega 5 year + research programme, which I think is great and if anyone is gonna do any good for the mental health of a diabetic anywhere, it's this particular Professor.

It's all very well looking for new this and new that and new the other - but meanwhile back at the ranch, millions of us have to deal with D every day. And there's hardly anyone anywhere in the UK who knows what the mental stress is like in real life. Let alone understand it ....

 

[Lauras87]

Ughhhhh!!!!

I went into tesco today & got asked to donate.
I did say I'm raising money myself for diabetes UK so got told I know how important it is!
And why is type 2 mentioned & not type 1??

 

[Northerner]

Ughhhhh!!!!

I went into tesco today & got asked to donate.
I did say I'm raising money myself for diabetes UK so got told I know how important it is!
And why is type 2 mentioned & not type 1??

The money will be going to Type 1 research as well Laura, but Type 1 is not something you are unlikely to know you have, or indeed that you can do anything about to try and prevent - the general campaign will be to get people who might be at risk of Type 2 to understand how they can tell or find out 🙂

 

[Lauras87]

The money will be going to Type 1 research as well Laura, but Type 1 is not something you are unlikely to know you have, or indeed that you can do anything about to try and prevent - the general campaign will be to get people who might be at risk of Type 2 to understand how they can tell or find out 🙂

I know but hardly anyone knows the signs for type 1, so I would of thought it would make sense to flag it up incase people show signs to get it checked out.

I didn't, it was only coz I was unwell in the night that mum rung NHS direct & they said to get me to a&e

 

[PattiEvans]

I see from the Tesco diet examples that the mean is about 230g carbs per day. Quite a heavy load for a T2

 

[Vicsetter]

Didn't look like too much thought had been put into the sample - why bread the chicken? thats unnecessary carbs not too mention the cheese on toast! Fried bacon isn't very healthy should be grilled.

 

[DeusXM]

In fairness, this is the usual Diabetes UK nonsense about a 'healthy diet' that has been perpetuated for years, it's just now that Tesco have bought the rights to sell a bit of it.

I would love to actually meet the people who come up with this ridiculous diet stuff at Diabetes UK because frankly their qualifications aren't worth the paper they're printed on them. I'd just love them to shadow me for a day on this diet because I'd love to ask them why they think eating 84g of carbs at breakfast is good for me when my two-hour PP clocks in at over 14.

I've posted before just how clueless these people are - they actually did some research into the diet they were recommending, found it actually made things WORSE so they fudged the study and tried to essentially bury the results.

http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk/boards/showpost.php?p=394758&postcount=5

I hope to god not a penny raised by Tesco goes to pay the salary of yet another idiot dietician who switches off their brain the moment they need to use it most.

 

[Andy HB]

In fairness, this is the usual Diabetes UK nonsense about a 'healthy diet' that has been perpetuated for years, it's just now that Tesco have bought the rights to sell a bit of it.

I would love to actually meet the people who come up with this ridiculous diet stuff at Diabetes UK because frankly their qualifications aren't worth the paper they're printed on them. I'd just love them to shadow me for a day on this diet because I'd love to ask them why they think eating 84g of carbs at breakfast is good for me when my two-hour PP clocks in at over 14.

I've posted before just how clueless these people are - they actually did some research into the diet they were recommending, found it actually made things WORSE so they fudged the study and tried to essentially bury the results.

http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk/boards/showpost.php?p=394758&postcount=5

I hope to god not a penny raised by Tesco goes to pay the salary of yet another idiot dietician who switches off their brain the moment they need to use it most.

Here here! I totally agree with what you say and I'm one of the lucky ones who can tolerate more carbs than most. Even I would not be happy following that 'taster' diet plan.

Yes, it's probably really 'healthy'. Just not for someone with diabetes (although wheat biscuits, banana and orange juice for breakfast sounds awful to me!).

Andy

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Yes, it's probably really 'healthy'. Just not for someone with diabetes (although wheat biscuits, banana and orange juice for breakfast sounds awful to me!).

Mmmmmmmm

Orange juice: GI 48-57
Wheat bisks: GI 75
Banana: GI 51-62

So a hefty (60-84g) carb load, and pretty much all of it will hit your BG pretty much as fast as table sugar (GI 60ish). Healthy, healthy healthy!

Even more weirdly 2 out of 3 of their breakfasts have the highest carb load of the day (84g) because they keep adding in a bit of extra fruit. Maybe they haven't come across the concept of DP/insulin resistance in the morning?

 

[DeusXM]

Yeah, 84g of essentially fast acting carbs for breakfast.

Interesting fact. 100g of jelly babies = 80g of fast acting carbs.

So essentially, Diabetes UK's diet advice for people with diabetes is actually worse than suggesting eating half a bag of jelly babies for breakfast.

Brilliant.

And the irony is the half-bag of jelly babies would be better even by their own dreadful standards - it'd be lower in fat and calories.

Good to see all those clever people with their nutrition diplomas are earning their keep, eh?

As a more serious point, I'd really like to see someone from Diabetes UK engage with this debate - not just on the Tesco diets, but their advice in general. At the moment, the best you can say is their dietary advice is outright negligent. At worst, it's actual abuse and malicious. Why can't they do some proper dietary research? Why can't they actually test a variety of diets? They're getting ?10m alone from Tesco - if they're going to insist on peeing this money up the wall on everything other than a cure, why can't they fund something like this, that would help make an immediate and radical improvement in diabetes care?

 

[mcdonagh47]

Mmmmmmmm

Orange juice: GI 48-57
Wheat bisks: GI 75
Banana: GI 51-62

So a hefty (60-84g) carb load, and pretty much all of it will hit your BG pretty much as fast as table sugar (GI 60ish). Healthy, healthy healthy!

Even more weirdly 2 out of 3 of their breakfasts have the highest carb load of the day (84g) because they keep adding in a bit of extra fruit. Maybe they haven't come across the concept of DP/insulin resistance in the morning?

TBF - its Tesco's Diabetes Support Diet not DiABETES uk's and DUK do say at the bottom of the page ...

"Diabetes UK is not responsible for the content of external websites. Products highlighted on Diabetes UK's website are not necessarily endorsed by Diabetes UK."

But having taken the Devil's shilling they have to advertise the Devil's wares. Looks like a naive DiABETES UK are going to be eaten alive by Tesco over the coming year.

 

[Northerner]

TBF - its Tesco's Diabetes Support Diet not DiABETES uk's and DUK do say at the bottom of the page ...

"Diabetes UK is not responsible for the content of external websites. Products highlighted on Diabetes UK's website are not necessarily endorsed by Diabetes UK."

But having taken the Devil's shilling they have to advertise the Devil's wares. Looks like a naive DiABETES UK are going to be eaten alive by Tesco over the coming year.

It would be nice to think that Tescos could be persuaded of the error of their ways and modify their suggestions in light of their association with DUK. I cannot think of a single well-controlled person with diabetes who would fare well on the breakfast suggestion given here. Even on insulin I would find it difficult to cope with such a carb load in the mornings - I currently need 8 units for 15g carbs in the mornings, 84g would be over half my maximum daily carb intake 😱 I've passed on the comments to Joe in the hope that they can be fed (!) back up to the ears of those who might be in a position to do something. Really, it would be in the interests of Tescos to produce a diet that is both truly 'diabetes-friendly' and broadly sanctioned by the diabetes community. I wonder if these diets are actually 'tested' on real diabetics, or if they are the constructs of a 'qualified dietician's' creative thinking?

 

[DeusXM]

TBF - its Tesco's Diabetes Support Diet not DiABETES uk's and DUK do say at the bottom of the page ...

Yes, but the diet is completely in keeping with what has been recommended by Diabetes UK - based heavily around starchy carbs and low fat. The dietary research linked in my post completely underlines exactly what Diabetes UK thinks of such a diet -there's a line in there that says "Studies investigating the effect of weight loss on glycaemic control in Type 2 diabetes have utilised low fat diets (also known as healthy eating)..." which shows you EXACTLY how interested they are in bothering to research and update their dietary advice.

The irony is that Tesco also offers a lower carbohydrate diet.

Really, it would be in the interests of Tescos to produce a diet that is both truly 'diabetes-friendly' and broadly sanctioned by the diabetes community. I wonder if these diets are actually 'tested' on real diabetics, or if they are the constructs of a 'qualified dietician's' creative thinking?

The problem is, the 'diabetes community' is represented by Diabetes UK, who have little to no interest in producing sensible dietary information. I'm sorry, but have you read this document? - http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Documents/Reports/Nutritional_guidelines200911.pdf

As I've mentioned before, the whole thing reads like it was designed to prove an underlying assumption, the evidence didn't actually stack up,and so they had to fudge the whole report rather than revise the assumption.

 

[martindt1606]

Not sure why any T1 Diabetic would want to pay for a Tesco Diet Plan. I'll stick to what I learned on DAFNE and the food from which experience has shown I can predict my BS impact with a reasonable degree of certainty.

Having a 30 carb snack (popcorn & milk) is not a road I want to go down. I'm happy to stick with "If its not a meal then its a hypo correction" and that doesn't need to be snack sized.

 

[HelenM]

Just worked out the percentages of the first menus.

It seems to be based on about 1500 calories and works out as aprox 62% carb, 18% protein and 20% fat.

DUK still have the Eatwell plate on their website, though they have revised most of their diet pages in the last year.
The Balance of Good Health plate is supposed to reflect the current recommendations of 50% total carbohydrate in the diet. This menu is considerably higher in carbs than that.
http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/nutguideuk.pdf

I have read of doctors in India using a diet with a similar amount of carbs successfully but it was plant based and the starchy carbs were mostly pulses It was also a very high fibre diet, no comparison to this one.

 

[PattiEvans]

The recipes on Diabetes UK's own website are just as dire. Cherry Meringue for example

Sorry, I'm with Deus, unless DUK change their dietary advice substantially i.e not just adjusting the healthy eating plate by 10% of recommended carbs, then they are doing people with diabetes a disservice. It really is time they did some proper research into the effect of carbs on BGs.