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Tina63

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Just a quick update - to let you know my son has been producing his urine specimens (for those of you that were dying to know :D) I knew he would, he just needed to sound off at me at the time. I left the letter with instructions on his computer keyboard and the pots in the bathroom, pointedly putting one on the toilet lid each morning :D Lo and behold I came back from shopping yesterday lunchtime to find the deed done!

The first one looks awful (and what do I know about it??). There looks like solid matter in the bottom, it has separated out. Thick cloudy stuff in the bottom - or is that just because it's 36 hours old now? Probably full of sugar!

Anyway, hospital tomorrow, so lets see what happens there. I will report back tomorrow night.
 
Good for him. 🙂

If he's been running high, he could have an infection. I'm sure they'll sort him out either way. Things like that might horrify him into better control, once there's a nasty consequence of not taking care, he might then have his own incentive.🙂

Long may it continue.

Rob
 
Unless Tina's son was asked for "mid stream specimens" of urine, where the aim if to get just the bacteria from the bladder, without bacteria from "tubing", then the "solid matter in the bottom" won't matter. If the aim is to get specimens for biochemistry, the bacteria content is less important. Of course, it could be sugar precipitating out.

In any case, the lab staff will work it out - they're immensely skilled AND undervalued! 🙂
 
Hi Tina Hope hospital goes well today Thinking of you x
 
Hi everyone and thanks for the support.

Right. Where to start. Well, HbA1c now 12! So still creeping up from less than 3 weeks ago when it was 11.6. He did allow me and his sister to go in to the consultation with him.

He did admit he is using next to no Novorapid, saying initially it was due to feeling uncomfortable at school testing and injecting as he is in a new form (moved to 6th form) and with a new set of friends, and then said that as it became habit to 'forget' at school, that 'forgetting' has just spiralled out of control.

He was asked how he feels, he said he was fine on the whole. The consultant and nurse asked if he was tired, he replied no, but then she asked us if we had noticed any changes and as he had been asleep (again) on the sofa yesterday early evening, he couldn't really argue when we both pointed that out. We did say it had been quite a frequent occurence of late. He admitted to drinking lots more, but isn't going to the loo excessively.

Though she didn't point out any serious consequences, the consultant did get across that this can't continue and we have to find a way forward that suits him. She did ask if he gets support from family and of course he said yes, too much, but she did point out that it's only because we care. She pointed out that if he starts to bring things back in line I am bound to back off - which is so true.

She then gave him the choice of 3 ways forward - either sticking with the Lantus and Novorapid on MDI, twice a day mixed insulins, or the 3rd option which is what he has gone for, a mixed insulin at breakfast with an 8 hour timespan, with a view to not having to inject at school, then Novorapid for evening snacks/dinner, and to stick with the Lantus at bedtime. He is to stick with his 25u of Lantus, 1:10 ratio with Novorapid, and 20u of the new mixed one at breakfast time. Can't remember the name of that one, we have put a new prescription request in to the GP tonight, so hopefully Wednesday or Thursday we can pick it up.

His DSN came out for a chat with us, and my son was in and out going for blood tests and his retinopathy screening, and the DSN had two other families hovering around so she was telling us bits and giving us a new pen (as well as ordering one on prescription but said a spare one is always good to have) but was also answering other peoples' questions, so it was all a bit messy in the end. She is phoning us on 3rd Jan to see how things are going, and we have to go back and see just her on 24th Jan, but not sure when we will be back in clinic as no other appointment was made. We were told to get the prescription request in immediately and get him on it before Christmas.

I have since thought of questions, which I will contact her about but wonder what you all think. Could he at weekeneds if he wanted discard the new mixed insulin and revert to just Novorapid and Lantus, or is that a dangerous game to play? They didn't go too much into the timing issues with the new mixed one, but if he lies in bed until 11 on a Sat/Sun, that insulin would then take him up to 7pm when we would have already eaten our main meal. Obviously on a school day he would have it around 7.30 so by 3.30 it would be out of his system. He works afternoons at weekends, so I would feel a little uneasy about him perhaps going hypo at work (and she did say he will need to have a snack a couple of hours after lunch on this new insulin to avoid an afternoon hypo). I feel a little uneasy, just because it's new.

Of course, in the consultation he promised to do everything they are asking, once we got home and his dad asked how he got on he got all shirty again. He has calmed down again now, but we know not to mention anything. I will make sure I have all sorts of hypo food tucked away in our weekend bag over the Xmas holidays, but of course there is no guarantee yet that he will take the insulin - I just hope he does.

Is anyone else on this regime? Any advice please over the mixed insulin? I will get Ragnar Hanas out tomorrow for a quick read, but as I said, I can't remember what the new insulin is called.

Oh, and DSN hadn't got my emails. They have apparently changed one letter in the email address! Great! Well at least I know. When we had a chance to have a quiet whispered word we managed to tell her a little of what has been going on, but I guess they could work a lot of that out from his HbA1c result.

So......just got to wait and see what happens from here. I am sure I will be back in a few days with an update.

Thanks for listening again!

Tina
 
Oh and forgot to say they gave him a new diary and want some figures in it........
 
Thanks for the update Tina. Oh, it's hard work isn't it? I have no experience of mixed insulins, but I think he has gone for a more complicated option than necessary, juggling three insulins. To be honest, if he'd just persevered with the NR and lantus then it would have been a habit by now and he would hardly notice it (neither, I suspect, would his mates). Now he is going to have to 'eat to the insulin' for the mixed, which will also have an underlying dose of lantus, and further complications with the weekends or holidays when he feels like skipping meals or wants more flexibility. This is just my opinion, but personally I would be quite worried if someone moved me from my straightforward 2 insulins - one for my liver and one for my meals - to this regime.

I suppose that you need to try it and see how he gets on with it - I sincerely hope he takes to it well 🙂
 
Thanks for you comments. I am quite 'green' as to how this new one will work, I did mention that he tends to eat his lunch at morning break (10.30) and they did say he will need to have a snack at proper lunchtime, but they didn't go into any detail about how this new insulin works, apart from the 8 hour timescale. At least it's school holidays for the next two weeks, and he isn't working this weekend, so I guess we have a bit of time to see how things go before he faces school and work again. I do just hope he gives it a proper got - not totally convinced he will, but with phone calls and appointments looming in the not too distant future hopefully he does take it seriously, at least for a few weeks!
 
I would see how it goes and just hope he injects for now. If he gets up late and the whole sequence is out by a couple of hours or so, maybe he can snack to offset the peak but he may need to miss or delay his dinner.

With mixed insulins, there's very little flexibility and you basically have to live around the insulin. It's what we all did many thousands of years ago before MDI.

It sounds quite complicated to mesh this mix with the lantus and novo but as long as the consultant has told you how to do it, then try your best (or rather your son needs to try HIS best) and hopefully he'll get on with it better. If not, he may appreciate how much easier MDI is and want to revert back.

Let's hope it's a new beginning for you all. 🙂

Rob
 
Thanks Rob. Do you think he is more likely to suffer nighttime hypos with this new regime? He has only ever once hypoed at night. I kind of think with him using the mixed one in the morning, nights should be ok, but the Lantus will overlap with the new one so maybe daytimes will be the hardest time. The last thing I want is him starting to hypo at work frequently (he works 3.30-8pm Saturday and 1-5 Sunday) and lose his confidence there.
 
Tina

IMHO a mixed insulin maybe the best thing for him. I was on one till I was 29 from when I was diagonsed. In theory you can sort of carb count on a mixed insulin. When I was diagnosed I was given set amounts of portions I could have for my breakfast, mid morning snack, lunch, afternoon snack, tea and then supper before bed. Nothing was really updated on those from when I left the Childrens clinic as that form of carb counting had gone out of fashion with DSNs etc. I have to admit I think being on the mixed insulin saved me from a lot of bother that if I had been on MDI might have cropped up.

I too was bad at blood testing I could prolly go through one box a year if that. My HbA1c peaked at 16 and I had doctors really rip into about it infact I consider it a minor miracle that my kidneys still work and the only complications I have is background retinopathy and very high blood pressure which is going down.

From my time on Human Mixtard I can say I didn't live a set life and spent my 20s working in call centres with shift varying from 8am starts to 12pm starts and my injection times varied so it can be done may not be what the ideal maybe but it can be done. Infact I can remember at uni injecting my evening mixtard at gone midnight having come back from stumbling into the SU (Guild at Aston) and been press into teching an event plus having had a bit to drink too good job my former event managers don't read this board. The one thing I did which I'm greatful for is I always injected no matter how late etc if you can get your son to do that it may help. I think IMHO a lot of these wayward teen diabetics may be better on a twice daily mixtard course a good 'friend' of mine who is a youth worker with young diabetics keeps having me bend her ear on it. Trust me it may feel like it but your son is not the only one like this. There are loads of them on paper and theory it is scarey but some of us do pull through 😉. I'm a 32 year old now with a HbA1c of 6.3. When I went onto MDI at 29 I was a bit worried about lunch time injections....

One thing I noticed is he doesn't write his results down. I didn't and still don't but that great J at RHH had a cure for that. I use accu chek products so she gave me Compass (a program that lets me down load the results to my computer) and said just do your tests about 4 a day and download them and bring it to clinic. I loved all the graphs and stuff being a geeky stato meself may that help him? All the accuchek meters such as (Compact, Aviva and Expert not sure about Mobile) have this fuction and I'm sure other stuff has it too.

One thing I will say having walked this path the way he lives will not last for ever you get to about your mid to late 20s and you have to start to change cos your body feels c**p (excuse the french) and being told you are so close to laser eye surgury did make me change too.

Also the weight as a 32 year old battling his weight don't put it on it is easy tom put it on but harder to get off as he gets old.

Lastly you can never put an old head on young shoulders so sometimes he has to learn for himself about these things the hardway and you be there to pick up the pieces that is sadly in the job discription of being a mom. Also there is always something that will never be right he'd prolly be testing too much if he was testing, so just relax and give him some space.

Hope this has helped you know where I am if I can be any help.
Marc
 
Thanks for you comments. I am quite 'green' as to how this new one will work, I did mention that he tends to eat his lunch at morning break (10.30) and they did say he will need to have a snack at proper lunchtime

I used to too. I had 6 half sandwhiches a day two used to go at break time 😉

Marc
 
Thanks for all that Marc. We haven't actually been told how much he should eat and when, just to inject 15-20 mins before breakfast, then if he eats lunch at 10.30 he will need a snack at proper lunchtime. No mention of how big a snack though, and no idea if that will then get him safely through until 4pm. Oh well, guess trying it we will find out. I will just have to pack him up a lunch of bits and pieces so he can graze through the day. As you mentioned lots of sandwiches, maybe I should double up his sandwich amount so he has one lot at break, one at lunch.

He simply doens't test at all at the moment. He last tested on 17th Nov. He has been told they want to see results though in Jan so they can see whether to tweak the dose though. He is a computer geek, so maybe I could suggest the idea of finding out if he could download his meter (he does have the Accu-chek mobile) but there again he probably won't want anything diabetes related on his beloved computer. He hates any association with diabetes at the moment, I am not allowed to mention it!

Thanks also for you 'he will grow out of it' pep talk, I'm sure he will, it's just so hard when he had been doing fantastically (HbA1c 6.1 in June) and he is on the whole a mature, level headed decent lad, but this just makes him see red. I'm sure he just wants it all to go away and life to go back to how it was, and I guess I am being a bit impatient expecting him to be able to accept it all and just 'get on with it'. We are almost at the 1 year mark, so when I think back to how worried I was about him 12 months ago I realise we have come a long way, I just wish he could properly accept this and handle it a bit better. I'm sure he will get there in time, and I really will back off once I see him following some regular pattern.

Fingers crossed for the next week, though what a time of year to be fiddling with new regimes! Oh well, we will get there I am sure. Keep smiling eh?
 
Try Smart Pix which is the one I use it comes with a dongle type thing you stick in USB port and the dongle gets all the data from machine including Accu Chek Mobile. No data on his machine all on the dongle FTW.

Marc
 
"Try Smart Pix which is the one I use it comes with a dongle type thing you stick in USB port and the dongle gets all the data from machine including Accu Chek Mobile. No data on his machine all on the dongle FTW."


Marc,

Sorry, you are talking to an oldie here who knows little about computers and BG gadgets. What is Smart Pix? Where do I get it from? I have heard of dongles but don't have a clue what one of those is either doh!!! Now I do know what a USB port is so all is not lost!

Thanks! It may get a flicker of interest from him, it may be that yet again he doesn't want anything to associate with diabetes on his beloved computer, but got to be worth suggesting. He is mathematical too, so the thought of computers and graps ought to stir some interest! Defininely worth suggesting. Now I have to come up with a story as to where I found out about it! Thank you.
 
Sorry, I was being incredibly lazy asking that. I have just googled smart pix and got all the information I need. Thanks. I may print it off and show him sometime and see if he wants one. He likes gadgets, and it says it has coloured lights too - bound to appeal :D

I am prepared to go to any lengths to get things back on track with him, yet mindful too of backing off and not making him feel under pressure, so I may have to leave it a few days - but whilst the hospital appointment is so fresh and he has been told he must record levels for the next few weeks it may be something to help that along.

Thank you for the suggestion.
 
Hi Tina
I know I'm a bit late now replying, but you asked if anyone was on this regime he's picked. Well Carol was for a while. We found that the mix didn't work very well anymore for her, but as she wasn't injecting by herself, it was suggested we'd try it this way. She was on Novomix30 for Breakfast and Novorapid for dinner, Levemir at bed. That way we could at least bring her readings down at dinner time (She was always high, because the mix didn't work well for her. If we increased the mix, she was always hypo in the morning, if we decreased it, she was high in the evening) As soon as she started to inject herself, we went on full MDI.
When on this regime I didn't feel she could sleep in at the weekends though. But changing to full MDI just for the weekend seems to me a disaster waiting to happen.

Hugs to you from one mother to another. I know how you feel, even though I've never been in the same boat as you.Carol is behaving well with regards to her diabetes, but I to still think she could do better.
 
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