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Tonight BBC2 9:00PM - A House Through Time : Two Cities At War

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This looks interesting as it will compare the lives of residents in apartment blocks in London and Berlin during WWII. I knew two women who lived through it in those cities and will be interested how this compares to what they said. The one from Berlin read a book about it and said it was far from an honest account!
 
MikeyBikey said:
This looks interesting as it will compare the lives of residents in apartment blocks in London and Berlin during WWII. I knew two women who lived through it in those cities and will be interested how this compares to what they said. The one from Berlin read a book about it and said it was far from an honest account!
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I’ve recorded it. Looking forward to it. I really enjoyed the other series he did.
 
I've liked the House Through Time series where a family gets taken through a decade. Especially when they were periods I half remembered from early childhood - the reminiscence of all that packaging and produce was so strong
 
Watched it. Interesting - but the residents were so vastly different from any of my knowledge, both in London & Berlin - that I feel very detached from their lives and experiences.

Mansion apartments - 7 bedrooms with servants quarters - good grief ! Jewish. The 2nd WW. Yes of course I know some of that War history (although my dad utterly refused to wish to hear anything about any of it - when me and my sis were both teenagers the BBC aired a serial for a couple of months entitled A Family at War and we both said we'd like to watch it, so mom, me and Gill watched it whilst dad stomped into the front room with the portable radio and the evening's paper - usually only did that when the cricket was on! - but at least I did actually personally hear who the batsman and bowler were, that time, thanks to Brian Johnson - the batsman was Houlding he said ...... )
 
Watched this today whilst ironing. Absolutely fascinating, can’t wait until the next episode. I love David Olusoga, his voice is so soporific, I think I might get it on a podcast and listen to it through the night.
 
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Watched it. Interesting - but the residents were so vastly different from any of my knowledge, both in London & Berlin - that I feel very detached from their lives and experiences.

Mansion apartments - 7 bedrooms with servants quarters - good grief ! Jewish. The 2nd WW. Yes of course I know some of that War history (although my dad utterly refused to wish to hear anything about any of it - when me and my sis were both teenagers the BBC aired a serial for a couple of months entitled A Family at War and we both said we'd like to watch it, so mom, me and Gill watched it whilst dad stomped into the front room with the portable radio and the evening's paper - usually only did that when the cricket was on! - but at least I did actually personally hear who the batsman and bowler were, that time, thanks to Brian Johnson - the batsman was Houlding he said ...... )
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Will probably watch it on catch up. Two days in with these antibiotics and I feel really below par, have a iffy tummy and struggling to maintain decent BGs.

Very different to the ladies I knew. The one from Berlin lived in a two bedroom apartment with her parents and younger brother - I believe they had a shared toilet with other families. The one in London lived in a two-bed East End terrace probably with an outsize loo.
 
I watched the last episode yesterday. Whilst I watched the first episode a few days after it aired I only skipped through Episodes 2 and 3 for as @trophywench said it seemed far removed from ordinary people.

What was not mentioned was that that when the Russians came into Berlin they indulged in rape and pillage, sometimes even killing the rape victim! I had afternoon coffee with some ladies in late-middle age in my late teens and this came up. They said that while the Russians were the worse many Americans were as bad only they had better uniforms. I then asked about the British soldiers and they said the majority were true gentlemen, and it was a great pity we ever fought each other.

Sadly despite having the Great War (the war to end all wars) and World War II, wars continue today as nobody seems to learn from history.

Also covered in the program was the cruelty of the Japanese particularly in the building of the Burma Railway (I have read one person died for every sleeper laid). It begs the question why is Germany's behaviour in the war mentioned so frequently buy rarely the Japanese. Also Stalin killed between 10 and 50 million either directly or indirectly.
 
Bridget Jones' mother always said that about the Japanese, didn't she? And I watched Tenko. Plus my dad's cousin served somewhere in that region and like my dad, never ever told us 2, anything about the War - as far as they were both concerned The War Is Over. It Should Never Be Spoken About Ever Again.

In my teens there was a serial on BBC TV, called A Family At War. I told mom I thought I might like to watch it, actually. My sister had been non committal when asked - but I think she wanted to as well, in any event, she did watch most of it with me and mom - whilst my dad grabbed the evening paper and the portable radio and stomped off into the front room on his own to be grumpy alone, same as he did when mom wanted to watch Wimbledon on the TV and the cricket was on! When she didn't want to watch something, he had the 'mains' one on and listened to it in the back living room (hence why I actually heard Brian Johnston telling the world that the batsman was Holding, etc - but had absolutely no idea why there was suddenly silence from the commentary team, since I knew both chaps were cricketers - and my dad just said something 'grumpy' - and I recognised the tone, it conveyed 'You better shut up asking questions Jennifer!' when I later asked him if anyone had explained why they lost the sound !)

The impression I have of the Russian Army in general is that first - very poorly educated and brought up in cultural/artistic and everything else, poverty - and I more than somewhat think, that's still the case today. It's curious really - holidayed in Croatia several times in the late 70s/early 80s - good ole Yugotours! - and remember saying how lovely people generally were, that they'd give you anything they happened to have in an effort to help you - the only problem being that they hadn't actually got very much you might want! (and a distinct lack of 'touristy items' in the very few shops) but when you found one that did have anything you thought was useful and bought, which cost you much more than you'd expected in comparison to eg Spain, Corfu or Italy they only had one or two of them so when someone else at your hotel said Oooh, I could do with one of those and specially made their way to the same shop they hadn't got any more. By the following week the place was closed ...... President Tito by then being firmly deceased and no-one else having got a grip, which we, as tourists, simply hadn't realised previously how/why was so necessary, all the previous differences of the various regions peoples reared their ugly heads, yet again. (The Ottoman Empire v The Balkan States, ad infinitum is it still to be, then? Oh Dear)
 
It begs the question why is Germany's behaviour in the war mentioned so frequently buy rarely the Japanese. Also Stalin killed between 10 and 50 million either directly or indirectly.

I think it is mentioned. As well as the so-called Death Railway, there has been lots of information about, say, Nanjing, and treatment of prisoners during WW2.

Yes, Stalin, but also Mao. There are, sadly, plenty of genocides to look at.
 
It is so sad that human life is so undervalued and dictators of every political persuasion are happy to dehumanise and demonise people to satisfy their own bloated egos.
Divide and conquer has always been used to set people against each other and to justify killing and other atrocities.
 
Going to watch this as sounds interesting.

After death & destruction caused by Nazi Gemany when operation Bargarozza took place in Russia it was inevitable that Russian soldiers would be equally ruthless when conquering Germany & it's capital.
 
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