Protein intake for Aging Skin

[Jodee]

I had an injury with a knitting needles recently, couldn't believe the damage, size 9mm wooden with smooth rounded end managed to cause me an open wound even through leggings, it still healing today.

My skin being so fragile these days I thought I had better research how I may be able to improve this.

One of things was protein intake. Article I was reading said people over 70 years should take 1.0g per kg as I read it, do you think this is about right?

I thought I had read previously that flax seed helps the skin too but I'm not sure how to or can ingest daily to help toward this problem.

I am grateful for any suggestions.


Any way the article I was reading is here:

"Systemic approach. With regards to general nutrition, older adults should be cognizant of ingesting adequate protein. Low protein intake is associated with decreased immune function, poorer healing, and increased skin fragility.47 Traditionally, recommended daily protein intake is 0.8mg/kg. However, adults older than 70 years of age should consume 1.0g/kg per day, with higher amounts necessary to aid in healing wounds or replace normal losses. Animal protein (i.e., meat, poultry, and seafood) is the dietary source of protein with the greatest biological value.48 One author considers eggs the most cost-effective and valuable source of protein in terms of amino acid profile.47"

from; Chronic Skin Fragility; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...s have been shown,possibly by inducing HB-EGF.

I'm also interested in a good overall body lotion or cream with the retinol which is ok for sensitive skin if any one can advise? Aging is a problem.

 

[Jodee]

I seem to have lost access to editing options, like bold print and adding link, images.

 

[MikeyBikey]

The figures (without reading through the article) seem very low to me. Even for me 1gm/kg only equates to 100gm or 4 oz in old money> Although no expert I would think the amount quoted would not be enough for any tissue renewal.

One cause of skin frailty/fragility is insufficient waiter intake. I know two people who cut down because of the need to visit the toilet frequently. Both aged in front of my eyes. One visited the GP and was diagnosed with both an irritable bladder syndrome and prostate problems. He is now on medication but has to limit both caffeine and alcohol! The other refuses to see their GP in case it is something serious but as I said to them "Even if it is it may well be treatable, if left it may become untreatable"

Now onto my favourite topic PAD (Peripheral Arterial Disease). Diabetics and smokers are most as risk of it although I know someone who lost a leg to it despite not being diabetic and never smoking in their life. PAD is a condition that in the UK is both underdiagnosed and undertreated resulting IMHO in avoidable amputations (the USA and Western Europe have lower rates). One early symptom o0f PAD is dry skin that becomes increasingly fragile.. You should ask your GP for a Doppler with ABPI (Ankle-Brachial Pressure Index). A DSN feeling your pulses is often insufficient. A DSN told me my pulses were fine six weeks before I was diagnosed with PAD (the silly woman).

 

[trophywench]

She was only interested in BP to your feet and only trained to test for that - as you, I and Eddy Elsen now know, they need to compare BP in groin and ankle taken at the same time, to diagnose PAD in legs.

 

[Jodee]

@MikeyBikey - Thanks for your reply.

I'm in the UK Mikey - NHS don't really cover what you refer too, I sent picture of the wound in my leg saying how very fragile my skin must be (and you can see veins and it does tear so easily) the doc just said it happens with age. I have been pondering whether I should ask to be referred to a dermatologist who may be able to advise, but to be honest I don't think that is a possibility either, what with the state of our health care system at the moment. Hence the reason why I am attempting to find information on things I can do to help myself.

Apart from aging, there are inhaler meds I take which cause skin thinning too, so its a problem for. I don't think I have PAD, surely there are other symptoms with that other than dry skin? I do made sure I am well hydrated also. My fragile skin is not just on the legs.

 

[mitchsi]

You might also want to consider collagen, it’s abundant in tissue and bones. I take it in powered form mainly for joints (although the cheaper bovine is mostly for skin and bones), pls discuss with the doctor although there shouldn’t be interactions but best be sure about that. It’s a little dodgy recommending products on a forum to strangers.

 

[Jodee]

Hi Mitchsi thanks for you sharing.

I was wondering about gelatin actually if I should start taking that daily some how, I must look into that further, for dose etc.

I do already take a liquid marine collagen supplement.

So far I am thinking to increase my protein intake, take ground flax seed, and the gelatin, I am more interested in food choices rather than supplements though.

 

[mitchsi]

Hi Mitchsi thanks for you sharing.

I was wondering about gelatin actually if I should start taking that daily some how, I must look into that further, for dose etc.

I do already take a liquid marine collagen supplement.

So far I am thinking to increase my protein intake, take ground flax seed, and the gelatin, I am more interested in food choices rather than supplements though.

Higher protein in later life has shown good results generally but the quantity I’m not so sure about but replacing some carbs with quality protein could only be a good thing.
Marine collagen I believe is the one good for joints/tendon/ligaments, the bovine more for skin etc… have a look at that.

No idea about gelatin.

food wise I’d expect healthy fat sources to be beneficial, I also take cod liver oil, again for joints really, being a guy I’m not really considering skin or atleast at my age (or maybe I should, I’ll ask the missus later :-D )

Interesting topic though, pls update with what you find out to be the best course of action for you.

 

[nonethewiser]

One cause of skin frailty/fragility is insufficient waiter intake.

They can be a bit bland waiters, helps if you sprinkle plenty of salt n pepper over them & chilli sauce.

 

[Jodee]

Higher protein in later life has shown good results generally but the quantity I’m not so sure about but replacing some carbs with quality protein could only be a good thing.
Marine collagen I believe is the one good for joints/tendon/ligaments, the bovine more for skin etc… have a look at that.

No idea about gelatin.

food wise I’d expect healthy fat sources to be beneficial, I also take cod liver oil, again for joints really, being a guy I’m not really considering skin or atleast at my age (or maybe I should, I’ll ask the missus later :-D )

Interesting topic though, pls update with what you find out to be the best course of action for you.

Thanks again Mitchsi

that tickled me asking your wife, does my skin need fixing Yes possibly its the Bovin I need then, that will apply to collagen and gelatin. I wonder if I should make bone broth daily, I expect I would get sick of that though taking it daily.

 

[nonethewiser]

I'm also interested in a good overall body lotion or cream with the retinol which is ok for sensitive skin if any one can advise? Aging is a problem.

Advice would be to get referred to a dermatologist, eldest.has been having few issues of late so gp has referred them over for expert advice.

Know for wound healing a diet higher in protein is recommended if no other health issues prevent it.

 

[Thebearcametoo]

Collagen supplements get broken down in the body to component amino acids because they can’t be absorbed whole and the body then decides what to use the amino acids for and it may not be collagen. Increasing protein in the diet is cheaper than buying supplements and likely to achieve the same results.

 

[mitchsi]

Collagen supplements get broken down in the body to component amino acids

That’s true but if theirs a deficiency or need for more then supplementing means you know you’re getting the right proteins and it’s more convenient to take, rather buying preparing the right meats/food.
Some proteins are not broken down and do get absorbed - I just read.
I use powder as it’s more cost effective and easy to adjust doses.

 

[Jodee]

Advice would be to get referred to a dermatologist, eldest.has been having few issues of late so gp has referred them over for expert advice.

Know for wound healing a diet higher in protein is recommended if no other health issues prevent it.

Many thanks

 

[Jodee]

Collagen supplements get broken down in the body to component amino acids because they can’t be absorbed whole and the body then decides what to use the amino acids for and it may not be collagen. Increasing protein in the diet is cheaper than buying supplements and likely to achieve the same results.

I'm thinking gelatine, I already take liquid collagen from a marine source.

 

[Jodee]

Collagen supplements get broken down in the body to component amino acids because they can’t be absorbed whole and the body then decides what to use the amino acids for and it may not be collagen. Increasing protein in the diet is cheaper than buying supplements and likely to achieve the same results.

the article I read suggested for over 70 years age its 1gram protein per kg weight, so for me that would be 68g of protein daily, I've mislaid my info book on amounts per portion. must look that out.

 

[Jodee]

So I managed to get some Planet Paleo pure gelatine (grassfed) and made a milky turmeric Jello.
I intended to have just one cube a day, but its so delicious I am hard pushed not to devour it all at once 🙂
So I did 300ml milk (heated)
1 teaspoon of turmeric honey
half a tablespoon of the gelatine. (Bovine)
Sprinkling of black pepper on the top.
(the turmeric did separate and sink to the bottom a little)

 

[Jodee]

It was so delicious I beed to make another batch today. Although I have been doing more reading and I am not sure the dose of half a tablespoon a day to make the jelly is going to be enough to help with the skin fragility issue, but perhaps there will be some improvment.

The research I did indicated that 1 tablespoon of bovine gelatine had 0.5carbs so pretty good. I made yesterday only half tablespoon.

The last of yesterday's make;

 

[mitchsi]

Sounds nice, might have to try it, makes a change for a desert

 

[Jodee]

Good morning mitchsi - made another half batch with beetroot juice, a pinch of spice and a few black grapes (halved) in the bottom. I have a weird idea to add soya cream to this.... It does taste very beetrooty as you would expect