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Welcome to the forum @Mattiboy from someone who started with T1 at the age of 53, in 2008. Like you I stopped my regular exercise as I had no idea what was likely to happen with highs and lows and at that time no sensors

As you have already found it is a steep learning curve at the start, and as we all react in different ways both physically and emotionally it is good that there is plenty of experience to draw on on the forum. Any questions- just ask. No one will mind.

The best analogy I was given is that managing the diagnosis is like learning to drive. It seems a lot to think about at the start but later most of it becomes automatic, and you are just watching for the obstacles on route as well as the unexpected. That matches my experience of T1 at the start. BUT it definitely gets easier.

I had hypos most days, and that honeymoon period when your pancreas decides to join in at intervals made life a lot more unpredictable. As I returned to exercise I made sure that I had company initially. I had a cycle route near home which meant I could call for rescue if necessary. I gradually learnt what the fixed route and various paces did to my levels (most of the time!) and developed more confidence. Having said that it took me ages to get back in a swimming pool as I was concerned that in the water I would not spot one of my regular hypos. The introduction of aLibre made a massive difference as this helped me to head off hypos and hypers.

It will get easier and we are all here to help. Fire away with any questions that arise, and keep in touch.
 
Welcome to the forum @Mattiboy from someone who started with T1 at the age of 53, in 2008. Like you I stopped my regular exercise as I had no idea what was likely to happen with highs and lows and at that time no sensors

As you have already found it is a steep learning curve at the start, and as we all react in different ways both physically and emotionally it is good that there is plenty of experience to draw on on the forum. Any questions- just ask. No one will mind.

The best analogy I was given is that managing the diagnosis is like learning to drive. It seems a lot to think about at the start but later most of it becomes automatic, and you are just watching for the obstacles on route as well as the unexpected. That matches my experience of T1 at the start. BUT it definitely gets easier.

I had hypos most days, and that honeymoon period when your pancreas decides to join in at intervals made life a lot more unpredictable. As I returned to exercise I made sure that I had company initially. I had a cycle route near home which meant I could call for rescue if necessary. I gradually learnt what the fixed route and various paces did to my levels (most of the time!) and developed more confidence. Having said that it took me ages to get back in a swimming pool as I was concerned that in the water I would not spot one of my regular hypos. The introduction of aLibre made a massive difference as this helped me to head off hypos and hypers.

It will get easier and we are all here to help. Fire away with any questions that arise, and keep in touch.
Thank you @SB2015 Today has been a revelation to me. Finding others who have been where I am now has relieved the burden massively and given me much hope for the future. Up to today, I thought this was how my condition was always going to be and life was going to be as rubbish as it is now. I feel so relieved now.
I think next week might be my first attempt at a proper route back on my bike. I think a backpack with lots of food and medication is in order though!!
 
Thank you Roland. I am very quickly realising that we really are all different. Reading some of the responses here has opened my eyes to how diabetes affects other people differently to me.
I tend to rise and drop extremely quickly. I can go from 12 to 4mmol in 20 minutes making it really hard to control.
Because I have no panc'y I also get massive swings from high to low and back again. I'm missing all the essential hormones that normally manage one's metabolism (not just insulin) and have to manually manage that (also trial and error); it's often referred to as 'brittle' diabetes. That said I do now succeed in stopping the massive changes for the most part - but sometimes still get caught out. Mainly thanks to Libre and its alarms. By responding to a 5.6 and monitoring more frequently if level or snacking when falling - that has helped me.

Another factor (there are 42 currently defined - hence D is complicated!) that affects BG is activity and exercise. Anaerobic exercise initially pushes your BG up, as an innate response to "fight or flight"; then warm muscles draw down the excess glucose and your BG falls. Aerobic exercise or normal activity reduces your body's natural resistance to insulin, so the onboard insulin works more rapidly and your BG falls naturally. This all leads to 2 subsidiary questions: how much activity triggers how much response? how long does that last? I assume up to 3 days for the 2nd aspect and use trial and error for the first! I didn't know about this for nearly 10 months and because of Covid I had vg email contact with my DSN, but she never offered any advice or guidance on the consequences of activity. She probably assumed that since I was over 70 I just sat watching TV all day !!! So for 10 months I was totally adrift and with extremely erratic BG; but no Libre to show me anything different.
Before my diagnosis, for years, I was super fit, cycling 40 miles a day commuteing and between 60 to 130 miles at weekends. I stopped all of this when I was diagnosed as it scared the life out of me that something will happen when I'm out miles from home. When I get control of this my target is to start riding again and regain my fitness. Just very light exercise at the moment...
My son-in-law is a very keen road cyclist and greatly enjoys his weekend rides. Gary Scheiner (Think Like a Pancreas) is himself T1 and a sports consultant (therapist?) for insulin dependent diabetics.

If you exercise before your first bolus insulin (not your basal) then you are unlikely to go hypo. No insulin on board - no great risk. You can even eat a snack such as a cereal bar (1/2 or whole) and that exercise will burn off the carbs. Or allow at least 4 (preferably 5) hrs after insulin, then exercise and again little or no insulin on board - so little risk of going hypo. You should be able to get back in the saddle and gradually build up your distances knowing this. Always take a hypo response kit! For me that is lucozade and jelly babies; for cycling the lucozade will help compensate the hydration presumably. I find Dextrose too dry and cloying.

BUT this assumes that your basal dosing is about right. Basal should be sufficient to keep your body functioning without added food and bolus covers food. If its not, your bolus is always having to make up (or reduce) for incorrect basal; then your ratios for carbs or activity are distorted bt the extra work the bolus is having to do. My basal is pretty close to right (but its a constantly slow moving target). I adjust my bolus to compensate for planned activity, since I have an inflexible basal insulin of Tresiba. Some people adjust their flexible (2x daily basal doses) to compensate for activity. Confused? Probably! I can explain more, but first need to know more about what insulins you are on and are you carb counting or on fixed doses.

Are you closely tied into a Hospital based Diabetes Specialist Nurse (DSN)?
 
Because I have no panc'y I also get massive swings from high to low and back again. I'm missing all the essential hormones that normally manage one's metabolism (not just insulin) and have to manually manage that (also trial and error); it's often referred to as 'brittle' diabetes. That said I do now succeed in stopping the massive changes for the most part - but sometimes still get caught out. Mainly thanks to Libre and its alarms. By responding to a 5.6 and monitoring more frequently if level or snacking when falling - that has helped me.

Another factor (there are 42 currently defined - hence D is complicated!) that affects BG is activity and exercise. Anaerobic exercise initially pushes your BG up, as an innate response to "fight or flight"; then warm muscles draw down the excess glucose and your BG falls. Aerobic exercise or normal activity reduces your body's natural resistance to insulin, so the onboard insulin works more rapidly and your BG falls naturally. This all leads to 2 subsidiary questions: how much activity triggers how much response? how long does that last? I assume up to 3 days for the 2nd aspect and use trial and error for the first! I didn't know about this for nearly 10 months and because of Covid I had vg email contact with my DSN, but she never offered any advice or guidance on the consequences of activity. She probably assumed that since I was over 70 I just sat watching TV all day !!! So for 10 months I was totally adrift and with extremely erratic BG; but no Libre to show me anything different.

My son-in-law is a very keen road cyclist and greatly enjoys his weekend rides. Gary Scheiner (Think Like a Pancreas) is himself T1 and a sports consultant (therapist?) for insulin dependent diabetics.

If you exercise before your first bolus insulin (not your basal) then you are unlikely to go hypo. No insulin on board - no great risk. You can even eat a snack such as a cereal bar (1/2 or whole) and that exercise will burn off the carbs. Or allow at least 4 (preferably 5) hrs after insulin, then exercise and again little or no insulin on board - so little risk of going hypo. You should be able to get back in the saddle and gradually build up your distances knowing this. Always take a hypo response kit! For me that is lucozade and jelly babies; for cycling the lucozade will help compensate the hydration presumably. I find Dextrose too dry and cloying.

BUT this assumes that your basal dosing is about right. Basal should be sufficient to keep your body functioning without added food and bolus covers food. If its not, your bolus is always having to make up (or reduce) for incorrect basal; then your ratios for carbs or activity are distorted bt the extra work the bolus is having to do. My basal is pretty close to right (but its a constantly slow moving target). I adjust my bolus to compensate for planned activity, since I have an inflexible basal insulin of Tresiba. Some people adjust their flexible (2x daily basal doses) to compensate for activity. Confused? Probably! I can explain more, but first need to know more about what insulins you are on and are you carb counting or on fixed doses.

Are you closely tied into a Hospital based Diabetes Specialist Nurse (DSN)?
Thank you for your time and help! Reading what you have written really helps me to understand what affects what.
Reading about your situation puts mine in the shade. You have far more to deal with than I do!! And there was me feeling sorry for myself 🙂
Interesting what you say about exercising before taking bolus. It's always my preference to ride the long commute before eating. Have always had the tendency to feel a bit sick if eating directly before riding. I eat as soon as I get off the bike.
My usual order is to wake, take 8 Lantus Glargine basal, then if having breakfast, usually 4 units of Novorapid.
The nurses tried to fix my amount of rapid, but I do adjust it depending on what im putting in. I'm not carb counting, just guessing. I do read packets to see what carbs are in certain foods, but try to guess the rest. It kind of works most of the time, but I do find myself adding one or two units when injecting probably through guilt to stop myself going high. I need to stop that bit as the hypos are not good.
I got ill for the first time since diagnosis recently. That threw everything I thought I knew out of the window. I had to throw insulin in. Where I might take 4 rapid normally, I had to take three times that. It was madness. Something I'm sure you are very used to!
 
Welcome to the forum @Mattiboy

Glad you have found some folks on the forum to compare notes with, and share experiences. A diagnosis with T1 can be pretty overwhelming, and it can be quite an isolating condition to live with, so having some connections to touch base with and bounce ideas off can be really helpful.
 
Hi @Mattiboy and welcome. I recall the first few months where I embarrassingly went hypo all over the place, in town, in dress shops and on organised walks. Best advice I ever had, I got from my hubby who said "you are very IT aware, go online and find other diabdetics." It does help not to feel alone.

As regards getting the basal dose right, have a look at the attached guide to basal testing:

Being ill throws everything out. Any kind of stress (can be mental or physical - sickness is physical stress) causes your body to produce the hormone Cortisol, which is a natural steroid and steroids push BGs up. You might like to check out "sick day rules" https://www.england.nhs.uk/london/w...abetes-Sick-Day-Rules-Type-1-MDI-06042020.pdf
 

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Hi @Mattiboy and welcome. I recall the first few months where I embarrassingly went hypo all over the place, in town, in dress shops and on organised walks. Best advice I ever had, I got from my hubby who said "you are very IT aware, go online and find other diabdetics." It does help not to feel alone.

As regards getting the basal dose right, have a look at the attached guide to basal testing:

Being ill throws everything out. Any kind of stress (can be mental or physical - sickness is physical stress) causes your body to produce the hormone Cortisol, which is a natural steroid and steroids push BGs up. You might like to check out "sick day rules" https://www.england.nhs.uk/london/w...abetes-Sick-Day-Rules-Type-1-MDI-06042020.pdf
Thanks @Pattidevans being here with you all has really helped me in just two days. That guide to get the right basal dose is amazing. No health care professional has spoken about anything like this and from what you and others say, it looks very important to get this dose right!
Thanks for your help and support.
 
Thank you for your time and help! Reading what you have written really helps me to understand what affects what.
Well, everything is relative. I'm a retired Civil and Structural Engineer, so I try to understand the logic of what causes what - but DM is far from logical in so many ways, without the DM fairy waving her wand. Hence lots of trial and error.
Reading about your situation puts mine in the shade. You have far more to deal with than I do!! And there was me feeling sorry for myself 🙂
Kind of you to comment, but you give me more credit than I really deserve. I'm grateful to still be alive, so now it's just a matter of getting on with the challenge!
Interesting what you say about exercising before taking bolus. It's always my preference to ride the long commute before eating. Have always had the tendency to feel a bit sick if eating directly before riding. I eat as soon as I get off the bike.

My usual order is to wake, take 8 Lantus Glargine basal, then if having breakfast, usually 4 units of Novorapid.
The nurses tried to fix my amount of rapid, but I do adjust it depending on what im putting in. I'm not carb counting, just guessing. I do read packets to see what carbs are in certain foods, but try to guess the rest. It kind of works most of the time, but I do find myself adding one or two units when injecting probably through guilt to stop myself going high. I need to stop that bit as the hypos are not good.
Carb counting is the only sensible way forward for you. You are too young to hope you can successfully muddle along! On the plus side NICE, in their recent update to their Guideline [Type 1 diabetes in adults: diagnosis and management, NICE guideline [NG17] Published: 26 August 2015. Last updated: 31 March 2022]
empasised that all T1s should receive structured education:
specifically:
1.3.1 Offer all adults with type 1 diabetes a structured education programme of proven benefit, for example, the DAFNE (dose adjustment for normal eating) programme. [2015]

1.3.2 Offer the structured education programme 6 to 12 months after diagnosis. For adults who have not had a structured education programme by 12 months, offer it at any time that is clinically appropriate and suitable for the person, regardless of how long they have had type 1 diabetes. [2015]

A course such as DAFNE done Face to Face is not only potentially very informative, but brings you alongside other T1s, allowing you to exchange experiences.

There are so many factors in the mix, what seems like a straightforward bit of maths, is also very subjective; and this is something best helped by formal training. Meanwhile, one thing you could try is to have one meal that is standard and repeatable - every day. Breakfast can lend itself to this. Then accurately weigh the components and work out the total carbs. You will then know your insulin dose for that many carbs and can deduce the ratio you are using. Thanks to Libre you can easily establish if the bolus you are taking is appropriate for that standard meal and thus confirm that ratio for that meal.You also see how much prebolus time is appropriate for the time of day. If your BG is dropping too much as you are eating, then the insulin has arrived before the carbs have been digested; so pre-bolus is too long. If BG rises rapidly as you eat then the insulin hasn't yet got into your blood stream and the prebolus time is too short. You will need several days to confirm your findings; a single meal is too small a test.

One disadvantage of Libre is that it gives you more insight than you sometimes need! It can tempt you to react when that reaction isn't necessarily needed. Your comment about adding insulin to stop yourself from going high is a case in point: being regularly and consistently high is definitely not good for your body - IN THE LONG TERM. But modest periods spent "out of range", ie above 10, are not a disaster, unless you are unlucky enough to feel below par when high; I don't seem to have this problem. So being slightly high at this stage shouldn't be feared, while you learn how best to manage your DM, without the fear of hypos.

Equally, you now know that being hypo is unpleasant and debilitating - but you also know it is not a disaster to sometimes be a little below 4. This presumes that you are using the alarms to forewarn you when you are dropping and heading off that potential hypo. Then you can resist the urge to panic when you are low and treat a mild hypo 'mildly', ie take some rapid carbs such as dextrose, JBs or Lucozade - then wait ... a full 15 mins ... and then check by finger prick (as well as monitoring your Libre) if you are recovering. If you are recovering, then resist that urge to do more, just let things naturally take their course, with perhaps some further slower carbs later in the form of a biscuit (say) to give some longevity to your recovery.

All of this management is to reduce the possibility of getting on the hypo/hyper rollercoaster, that becomes a real blight on your day.
I got ill for the first time since diagnosis recently. That threw everything I thought I knew out of the window. I had to throw insulin in. Where I might take 4 rapid normally, I had to take three times that. It was madness. Something I'm sure you are very used to!
@Pattidevans has commented upon illness affecting BG, at her post (#26). Unfortunately T1 can make you more vulnerable to a variety of ailments. As it can for me as a T3c. Sometimes my BG elevates inexplicably and I now know to speculate if I am going down with some medical complaint, that will arrive in the next 48 hrs! What is happening is that your body is fighting the incoming illness and releasing extra glucose as part of that fight.

My DSN advised me to increase my bosul doses by 20%; but others on this forum have expressed caution - that 20% is too much. It works for me, particularly since Libre gives me great visibility of trend as well as a snapshot of 'now'. I also have found, by trial and error, that my natural insulin resistance increases as my BG increases. So I have a correction ratio for when I'm above 9 to get me back to 6; and a stronger (harder) correction ratio for when I'm above 13. You might want to set your mid-range target at 7, or even 7.5, in these early days and give yourself a comfort buffer as you get used to making bolus adjustments.

All for now, got a busy day tomorrow. Regards.
 
Thanks @Pattidevans being here with you all has really helped me in just two days. That guide to get the right basal dose is amazing. No health care professional has spoken about anything like this and from what you and others say, it looks very important to get this dose right!
Thanks for your help and support.
No health care professional has ever mentioned basal testing to me either, but it’s definitely one of the most important factors in successful management of T1. All the HCPs have ever done is tweak basals on a guess. I learned how to test basals firstly from a similar forum to this and then from Gary Scheiner’s Think Like a Pancreas book.

If you are not offered a carb counting course then I recommend the online Bertie course https://www.bertieonline.org.uk/
 
What is happening is that your body is fighting the incoming illness and releasing extra glucose as part of that fight.
It's a little more complicated than that. Not only does the stress hormone Cortisol cause the liver to give out extra glucose, it also induces insulin resistance. Cortisol is also implicated in DP. Since you are of a scientific and analytic nature I think you would find a further look into Cortisol of interest . Try googling "the role of cortisol in the body" I find the whole science around diabetes/stress/IR fascinating😉
 
Hi @Mattiboy, it's great to see you've joined the forum! Being diagnosed can come at a bit of a shock at first but you've come to the right place. We have a great support system and if you do at any point want to speak on the phone we have a great helpline team that can offer some support - 0345123 2399 . 🙂
 
Hi @Mattiboy, it's great to see you've joined the forum! Being diagnosed can come at a bit of a shock at first but you've come to the right place. We have a great support system and if you do at any point want to speak on the phone we have a great helpline team that can offer some support - 0345123 2399 . 🙂
Thank you it's been only a couple of days since I came across DUK and so glad I did. It's totally changed my outlook for the future. Thank you for sharing this helpline number too. You never quite know when you need a helping hand.
 
Hi @Mattiboy lots of people have made great practical suggestions already. I just want to offer you some support and urge you to be patient with yourself. Kids with diabetes get a whole lot of support and education and even so the first few months were so hard for us. Adults are thrown to the wolves in comparison. As has been said upload your data to your DSN/specialist and ask for their input via email. Don’t wait for your scheduled appointments. Several hypos a day every day is a red flag for needing some changes. Don’t forget the Libre has a delay. Setting your hypo alarm a little higher so you have forewarning and finger pricking to confirm the hypo and then to check 15 minutes after having fast carbs will help reduce the rebound. If you can see you have stabilised and are coming up again you might want wait before adding more carbs immediately.

The advice we had from our team was to basal test. Once basal is more or less right sort out breakfast. We tend to eat the same thing for breakfast and what happens then has a knock on effect for the res for the day so if you can get that more or less right then tweak lunch and so on. You’ll get there.
 
Thanks @Pattidevans being here with you all has really helped me in just two days. That guide to get the right basal dose is amazing. No health care professional has spoken about anything like this and from what you and others say, it looks very important to get this dose right!
Thanks for your help and support.
You may not have been told about basal testing because after 4 months your basal needs are still likely to be greatly affected by the Honeymoon period (your pancreas is still producing some insulin ... just not reliably). As a result, the basal needs to calculate following basal testing on one day may be different to those if you tested the next day.
It is incredibly frustrating. But perfection s never possible and striving for it will make you ill. Learning how YOU need to respond when your levels start dropping (before you reach hypo) was key for me.
Regarding basal dose, personally, after a few months, I would only make sure I did not hypo at night or rise by more than about 3 mmol/l overnight. And, by hypo, I mean a real hypo rather than a compression low falsely reported by the LIbre when I lie on it.
 
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