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Prolonged hypers post exercise

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ianf0ster said:
I would just like to point out that although @travellor promotes 'moderation', they actually used the 'Newcastle Diet' to get to the place they're in currently.
The Newcastle Diet is much more extreme than 'Low Carb' can be (of course 'Low Carb' can also be as extreme as desired).
Newcastle is an 800 Calories per day for 8 week regime. The meal replacement shakes consist of 600 calories , 46.4 % of which are carbohydrates , 32.5% of protein and 20.1% of fat.

This equals approx 75 gms of carbohydrates - which is well into the 'Low Carb' and not so far from the 'Ketogenic levels'.
Yet they say that 1,500 to 2,000 calories including up to 130 gms of carbohydrates is exceedingly strict!

Perhaps some do better with meal replacement shakes, but to claim that Low Carb is excessive, unsustainable etc. when compared to Newcastle is just crazy!

Oh, and Newcastle doesn't claim to cure diabetes - just to put it into remission like Low Carb does. The success rates for the two methods are comparable with Low Carb having the edge by upt to 10% more remissions at the 2yr point.
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I'm glad we agree the Newcastle Diet is a viable low carb diet.
The number of times I've seen people advised it's mostly carbs and should be avoided is unbelievable.
Sadly, it does seem many people don't look beyond the initial eight weeks, and miss the point the if diabetes is cured, or reversed, (or put into "remission") it's then possible to eat a normal diet, and not have to worry about the pesky carbs for the rest of your life.
And as you say, the old "balanced" diet certainly did you and me no harm.
It was a large bowl of porridge for me this morning, just like my grandmother started the day with.
I'm just back form the gym, breadmaker on for later, and finishing off the last one I made for lunch.
(ok, bit of a cheat with the breadmaker, I'm sure, like mine, your grandparents made bread most days by hand)
 
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Donna Louise said:
Thank you for your help. I think I'm going to stick to a little bit of everything in moderation. I've lost 10 pounds doing this so far and I hope the blood sugars will sort themselves out as I loose weight.
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Excellent results.
Keep at it!
I've just joined a second gym yesterday, I moved during lockdown and realised even though the first one they carried my membership through to next year, I just wasn't getting there enough.
The new one is ten minutes walk away, so the target is 1 hour a day, 5 times a week, and a couple of evening swimming sessions.
I have some catching up to do!
 
Donna Louise said:
Thank you for your help. I think I'm going to stick to a little bit of everything in moderation. I've lost 10 pounds doing this so far and I hope the blood sugars will sort themselves out as I loose weight.
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From my own experience, I can only say that you'll have a much better result if you base your meals around meat, fish and seafood, eggs, cheese, full fat yoghurt, salad stuff and low carb veges and then a few times a week have berries - but do check your levels after eating,
You can indeed eat carbs, but they will most certainly raise your blood glucose levels, the more concentrated the carb 'hit' the higher the spike is the usual rule of thumb. By cutting out high carb foods and finding out the amounts and the foods you can eat at meal times using a meter and adjusting according to what you see, your averages will reduce, your spikes will reduce, your liver will not be so 'helpful' pouring out its excess glucose - and I found my weight had reduced quite drastically with no effort at all.
By all means keep exercising, it will mean you become fitter, and more muscle can deal with more glucose, but it is a hard road to go when there is a far easier route you might take.
These days, just under 5 years from diagnosis, and all of them low carb, I can go out and pick an apple to add to the pork casserole I am preparing for dinner - I have been classed as in remission for a number of years and diabetes is so irrelevant now.
I have just found that I need to sort out a new winter wardrobe again, as I have shrunk, again, but that is all to the good.
 
ianf0ster said:
I would just like to point out that although @travellor promotes 'moderation', they actually used the 'Newcastle Diet' to get to the place they're in currently.
The Newcastle Diet is much more extreme than 'Low Carb' can be (of course 'Low Carb' can also be as extreme as desired).
Newcastle is an 800 Calories per day for 8 week regime. The meal replacement shakes consist of 600 calories , 46.4 % of which are carbohydrates , 32.5% of protein and 20.1% of fat.

This equals approx 75 gms of carbohydrates - which is well into the 'Low Carb' and not so far from the 'Ketogenic levels'.
Yet they say that 1,500 to 2,000 calories including up to 130 gms of carbohydrates is exceedingly strict!

Perhaps some do better with meal replacement shakes, but to claim that Low Carb is excessive, unsustainable etc. when compared to Newcastle is just crazy!

Oh, and Newcastle doesn't claim to cure diabetes - just to put it into remission like Low Carb does. The success rates for the two methods are comparable with Low Carb having the edge by upt to 10% more remissions at the 2yr point.
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I have epilepsy and am vegetarian so I cannot do the low calorie diet and I don't think I could stick to low carb for long, might loose weight quickly but keeping to it for life seems unlikely.
 
Drummer said:
From my own experience, I can only say that you'll have a much better result if you base your meals around meat, fish and seafood, eggs, cheese, full fat yoghurt, salad stuff and low carb veges and then a few times a week have berries - but do check your levels after eating,
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Please take care when questioning someone's choice to eat a vegetarian diet. There are many reasons why someone may eat this diet including religious and cultural reason. It may not be a choice.
It is great that your diet works for you but please be aware that it may not be culturally sensitive for others.
 
Donna Louise said:
I have epilepsy and am vegetarian so I cannot do the low calorie diet and I don't think I could stick to low carb for long, might loose weight quickly but keeping to it for life seems unlikely.
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Just want to point out that way back 100yrs ago or so a low carb/keto way of eating was successfully used for treating both childhood epilepsy and for Type 2 Diabetes. It was also used to prolong the lives of Type 1 diabetics, but nothing could circumvent their ultimate need for Insulin.
 
helli said:
Please take care when questioning someone's choice to eat a vegetarian diet. There are many reasons why someone may eat this diet including religious and cultural reason. It may not be a choice.
It is great that your diet works for you but please be aware that it may not be culturally sensitive for others.
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@helli While what you say is true, I hope it wasn't meant as a criticism of @Drummer who made that post before the OP had revealed being a vegetarian.
 
I don't think being vegetarian should present difficulty in finding plenty of low carb meals which will give you a varied and sustainable dietary regime if that is what is going to help your blood glucose management.
Many of the low carb recipe books I have do have many vegetarian meals.
 
helli said:
Please take care when questioning someone's choice to eat a vegetarian diet. There are many reasons why someone may eat this diet including religious and cultural reason. It may not be a choice.
It is great that your diet works for you but please be aware that it may not be culturally sensitive for others.
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It would really help to have it mentioned - as far as I can see, it was not revealed until message no 38 in this thread. Perhaps there could be a line included in the signature to indicate the type of diet.
 
Donna Louise said:
I am exercising 3 times a week mainly indoor rowing. (I have lost 10 pounds in the last 3 weeks through healthy eating). About an hour after exercising my sugars are about 12 and are still high about 4 hours later. When I measure my sugars on waking they are over 8 when they were previously about 7 I feel fine and am taking my meds as normal? Bit worried, any ideas as to why this is happening?
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Just back from the gym.
I'm back in my old routine, a circuit of all the resistance and weight machines, 10 reps, 2 sets, 10 minutes exercise bike, 10 minutes rowing, 10 minutes treadmill, then back on another circuit of the machines to finish.
Large bowl of porridge and grapes and raspberries at about 10am, let it settle, then started at the gym at 12:15, finished an hour later, nothing at the gym but water.
I decided to test my blood after the discussion on here, (I haven't actually checked for ages), it's in at 4.9.

Like many others on here, your body will adjust to your new regime if you give it a couple of weeks.

Now to chill in the hot tub.
 
travellor said:
Just back from the gym.
I'm back in my old routine, a circuit of all the resistance and weight machines, 10 reps, 2 sets, 10 minutes exercise bike, 10 minutes rowing, 10 minutes treadmill, then back on another circuit of the machines to finish.
Large bowl of porridge and grapes and raspberries at about 10am, let it settle, then started at the gym at 12:15, finished an hour later, nothing at the gym but water.
I decided to test my blood after the discussion on here, (I haven't actually checked for ages), it's in at 4.9.

Like many others on here, your body will adjust to your new regime if you give it a couple of weeks.

Now to chill in the hot tub.
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@travellor (?? i think ) Im a 2 month newbie (probably) type 2 .Metformin slow release.
Twice a week I swim or do an aqua aerobics class. After my last aqua @ 10.30am. I felt a bit weary and hungry. I took a reading at 5.4. Should I eat some carbs b4 ? after the class? Or wait til lunch. Brekkie is about 7.30 am. Class @ 9.15. Im ok on other days after brisk 1 hr walk on the Downs etc . Any suggestions?
 
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5.4 sounds spot on.
I wouldn't eat before, if you already had breakfast.
Again, I wouldn't eat after, until lunch as normal either.
Unless you can't wait, but then just bring it forwards a bit.
Maybe just a coffee when I got home,

After a while your body will get used to the new regime, and it'll feel normal.
 
@travellor - Hot tub always reduces my BG so if I stay in it longer than 10 minutes, I'll be hypo and have difficulty getting out. My T2 friend was much the same as me.
 
trophywench said:
@travellor - Hot tub always reduces my BG so if I stay in it longer than 10 minutes, I'll be hypo and have difficulty getting out. My T2 friend was much the same as me.
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It most likely reduces mine as well.
Well actually, I can't say that as I haven't tested since I bought it, but a hot bath used to when I did, so I guess it probably still will.
Then again, we do eat and drink in it, so that'll push it back up.
I used to think it might be the increased blood flow, and the increased capillary flow letting the body use the BG better.
 
trophywench said:
@travellor - Hot tub always reduces my BG so if I stay in it longer than 10 minutes, I'll be hypo and have difficulty getting out. My T2 friend was much the same as me.
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Cor Ive always fancied a hot tub (well warm tub - ive got used to cold showers these days- saves fuel 😎 ). Are the temperatures variable? Would it help your BGs to reduce the hot water temp gradually.
 
travellor said:
It most likely reduces mine as well.
Well actually, I can't say that as I haven't tested since I bought it, but a hot bath used to when I did, so I guess it probably still will.
Then again, we do eat and drink in it, so that'll push it back up.
I used to think it might be the increased blood flow, and the increased capillary flow letting the body use the BG better.
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Can one float (5'1 inch) in hot tub in winter ???
 
Jenny105 said:
Can one float (5'1 inch) in hot tub in winter ???
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I'm afraid they aren't good on the electric bill.
But they are variable to 40C.
Not easy to float in, ours is more sit in, but big enough to get all of you under in the chilly weather.
It's probably emptied at the end of November, but my daughter keeps hers out all year.
 
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