Half-fat butter

[chaoticcar]

Don't know about medical professionals but I know what worked for me
Carol

 

[rebrascora]

And me!

 

[nonethewiser]

Always butter, add it to veg after cooking spread it thickly on toast & put it in jacket spuds, cholesterol is good always has been since tests began.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

So you are saying no one in any medical profession has ever said a high fat diet raises cholesterol?
Really?
No one?
Just me?

I’ve heard both. That dietary saturated fat raises blood cholesterol. And also that what you eat has little effect on blood cholesterol, because the majority is made by the body.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I’ve heard both. That dietary saturated fat raises blood cholesterol. And also that what you eat has little effect on blood cholesterol, because the majority is made by the body.

I'm interested in reading up on that, do you have any links to anything like the NHS, or similar from other countries, or peer reviewed studies
I'm not disagreeing cholesterol is made in the body, most knowledge now says saturated fats change the way the liver handles cholesterol, and as I have found, saturated fat raises cholesterol, but not by simply absorbing it out of the food we eat.

 

[Leadinglights]

Common misconceptions about cholesterol. American Heart Association website. heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Cholesterol/AboutCholesterol/Common-Misconceptions-about-Cholesterol_UCM_305638_Article.jsp. Updated April 2017. Accessed November 2, 2017.

A bit old but may be of interest

 

[trophywench]

Did you click the link to the discussion about the Dr Briffa blog which Patti posted on here earlier?

 

[PattiEvans]

Did you click the link to the discussion about the Dr Briffa blog which Patti posted on here earlier?

But that link was about GP incentives @trophywench although Dr Briffa undoubtedly has views on chol.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Common misconceptions about cholesterol. American Heart Association website. heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Cholesterol/AboutCholesterol/Common-Misconceptions-about-Cholesterol_UCM_305638_Article.jsp. Updated April 2017. Accessed November 2, 2017.

A bit old but may be of interest

"Many foods marketed as “low-cholesterol” have high levels of saturated or trans fats, both of which raise blood cholesterol."

"The healthiest choice is a liquid or soft tub margarine. These are made with vegetable oils. They have less partially hydrogenated fat and saturated fat than solid spreads such as hard stick margarine and butter. Look for margarines that say 0 g trans fat on the Nutrition Facts label.

Switching from butter to soft margarine is a good step."

It seems we agree on this.
Saturated fats raise cholesterol.
They always have for me.

- Probably a good guide on the same website
"From a dietary standpoint, the best way to lower your cholesterol is reduce your intake of saturated fat and trans fat. The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fat to less than 6% of daily calories"

 

[mikeyB]

My cholesterol blood tests always show completely normal.

I only ever use butter, since I found out what they do to liquid fat to make it go in a tub and look yellow. I make my yoghurt using full cream milk. I use butter in the pan making scrambled eggs. I love streaky bacon.

And I don’t have to look on a pack of butter to see if there any trans fats, and none will appear in cooking with butter. They will appear frying in vegetable oil at high temperatures, as in a stir fry. The Chinese people mostly stir fry using lard. In China, that is. I fry eggs in lard routinely.

Inuit people eat the blubber (all fat) raw of the Norwhal they hunt, because it’s their only source of Vitamin C. They are considered weird because they don’t die of conditions that Western folk on high fat and high carb diets get. It’s not different genes, it’s because of another nutrient low in their diet, and that’s carbohydrates, particularly sugars. I bet you all thought Dr Atkins invented that diet. They’ve been using that diet for a couple of millennia, probably even longer.

I do have to be aware how much fat I eat, only because I have very little exocrine pancreatic function, so have to titrate the fat I eat with the amount of Creon I take with the food. (Creon capsules contain concentrated pig digestive enzymes.) I don’t mind doing that, just as long as I can eat a crumpet dripping with butter.

 

[leonS]

I take all this with a pinch of salt (in proper butter).

 

[Deleted member 21371]

My cholesterol blood tests always show completely normal.

I only ever use butter, since I found out what they do to liquid fat to make it go in a tub and look yellow. I make my yoghurt using full cream milk. I use butter in the pan making scrambled eggs. I love streaky bacon.

And I don’t have to look on a pack of butter to see if there any trans fats, and none will appear in cooking with butter. They will appear frying in vegetable oil at high temperatures, as in a stir fry. The Chinese people mostly stir fry using lard. In China, that is. I fry eggs in lard routinely.

Inuit people eat the blubber (all fat) raw of the Norwhal they hunt, because it’s their only source of Vitamin C. They are considered weird because they don’t die of conditions that Western folk on high fat and high carb diets get. It’s not different genes, it’s because of another nutrient low in their diet, and that’s carbohydrates, particularly sugars. I bet you all thought Dr Atkins invented that diet. They’ve been using that diet for a couple of millennia, probably even longer.

I do have to be aware how much fat I eat, only because I have very little exocrine pancreatic function, so have to titrate the fat I eat with the amount of Creon I take with the food. (Creon capsules contain concentrated pig digestive enzymes.) I don’t mind doing that, just as long as I can eat a crumpet dripping with butter.

Ah, the Inuit comparison?
If I chased a Norwhal for breakfast, I probably be a different man too.
Then again, if they bought it shrink-wrapped from Tesco, I suspect they would be as well.
(And they do actually have different genes, so I'm afraid, to totally blow that out of the water, https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/16012 )

 

[Drummer]

For heart health, avoid Omega 6, sunflower oil, safflower oil, soy - it could save your life.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

For heart health, avoid Omega 6, sunflower oil, safflower oil, soy - it could save your life.

I always though sunflower seeds were very popular on a keto diet, and Burgen Soya and linseed bread is often highly recommended on here on a low carb diet?

 

[Robin]

I always though sunflower seeds were very popular on a keto diet, and Burgen Soya and linseed bread is often highly recommended on here on a low carb diet?

I always understood that a balance of Omega 6 and Omega 3 was the way to go (this article seems to bear that out)

No need to avoid healthy omega-6 fats - Harvard Health

Omega-6 fats were once criticized as unhealthy, but researchers for the American Heart Association have concluded that they are in fact beneficial to the heart. ...

www.health.harvard.edu

Linseeds are high in Omega 3, I think, as is oily fish.

 

[nonethewiser]

For heart health, avoid Omega 6, sunflower oil, safflower oil, soy - it could save your life.

That is complete rubbish & misleading, seriously.

 

[Drummer]

That is complete rubbish & misleading, seriously.

Published in 1994 there was a comparison of Simvastatin and a diet which reduced Omega 6 in people who had suffered a myocardial infarction. The Lyon diet heart study found that it achieved a 70 percent reduction in risk during the 4 years of the study. A similar study in Scandinavia, where Simvastatin was prescribed, found that the risk reduction was only 30 percent.
There are articles available from reputable sources, the Lancet, the BMJ - and I can't find contradictory evidence, and I do look.
I do find that some research is suddenly halted because it is not getting the right results - so funding is withdrawn. Rubbish eh?

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Published in 1994 there was a comparison of Simvastatin and a diet which reduced Omega 6 in people who had suffered a myocardial infarction. The Lyon diet heart study found that it achieved a 70 percent reduction in risk during the 4 years of the study. A similar study in Scandinavia, where Simvastatin was prescribed, found that the risk reduction was only 30 percent.
There are articles available from reputable sources, the Lancet, the BMJ - and I can't find contradictory evidence, and I do look.
I do find that some research is suddenly halted because it is not getting the right results - so funding is withdrawn. Rubbish eh?

A study from nearly three decades ago?
Understanding moves on year by year, let alone over more than a quarter of a century I'm afraid.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

I'm interested in reading up on that, do you have any links to anything like the NHS, or similar from other countries, or peer reviewed studies

It was just a comment made by a consultant- I’m not sure which studies or evidence informed the comment, but he’s well respected and still very active in research so will be the sort of Dr who presents at and attends diabetes conferences internationally, where all the latest studies are presented and discussed.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

It was just a comment made by a consultant- I’m not sure which studies or evidence informed the comment, but he’s well respected and still very active in research so will be the sort of Dr who presents at and attends diabetes conferences internationally, where all the latest studies are presented and discussed.

The old thinking was eating cholesterol could raise your cholesterol, this seems to have been mostly disproved, but the newer research seems to show saturated fats change the way your own liver produces cholesterol, and switches off the LDL receptors, so LDL rises as the body over makes it.
So technically what you eat may not directly raise cholesterol, as the body makes it, but saturated fat does raise it, as the body then overmakes it.

I'd be interested in any research that refutes this, as it's fairly recent.