Newly diagnosed (33F) intermittent fasting.

[lizk]

That’s a thing called dawn phenomenon, when your needing get up, body says(liver) I’m gonna help because I’ve been low..I’m going to help..going to dump some stored glucose ..
Keep at it , it’s going go lower, or add a low carb snack last thing at night see if that helps ..

I’ve heard about that. I guess that’s what’s happening with me then. Thanks for the encouragement. x

 

[DebbieC]

Hi both will find my blueberry muffin recipe and share tomorrow... we’ve just eaten last one so need to make some more

 

[DebbieC]

Yes, I’ve read both. I found them mind blowing to be honest. Did you? I realised I had been eating exactly as he described would contribute to insulin resistance. I’d been drip feeding myself carbs and sugar throughout the day til really late at night. Bit of a lightbulb moment for me. Feeling much better. Have you found it difficult to stick to your new lifestyle over the 18 months ish since you were diagnosed Martin? Keen to hear about the blueberry muffin recipe too.

@Martin9 @lizk
280 g almond flour
Granulated sweetener to taste
Pinch salt
8g gluten free baking powder
73g coconut oil
84ml unsweetened almond milk
3 eggs
Teaspoon vanilla extract
100g blueberry
Melt oil, mix, make 12 muffin in paper cases
180 c for 20 mins:
217 calories each 3g carb
Delicious

 

[lizk]

Thanks @DebbieC I’ll let you know how I get on. Tried making some almond flour scones this week and they were ‘interesting’! Looking forward to trying something else.

 

[DebbieC]

Thanks @DebbieC I’ll let you know how I get on. Tried making some almond flour scones this week and they were ‘interesting’! Looking forward to trying something else.

Hi we made cheese scones with coconut flour and they were like savoury coconut ice ‍♀️

 

[lizk]

That’s a thing called dawn phenomenon, when your needing get up, body says(liver) I’m gonna help because I’ve been low..I’m going to help..going to dump some stored glucose ..
Keep at it , it’s going go lower, or add a low carb snack last thing at night see if that helps ..

Took my blood sugar before bed at 10.30pm and it was 5.3. Interested to see what the sneaky dawn phenomenon does for me tomorrow morning? Going to test when I wake up.

 

[lizk]

Took my blood sugar before bed at 10.30pm and it was 5.3. Interested to see what the sneaky dawn phenomenon does for me tomorrow morning? Going to test when I wake up.

It was 5.9 when I woke and has been similar two hours after both meals I’ve had today. Feeling good. x

 

[Martin9]

It was 5.9 when I woke and has been similar two hours after both meals I’ve had today. Feeling good. x

If you keep at that level till January HbA1c would be about 35

 

[DebbieC]

If you keep at that level till January HbA1c would be about 35

Hi spot on @Martin9 , James BG were similar and his first Hba1c after 3 months was 36. As he had lost 3 stone as well we were a bit disappointed that DN didn’t suggest reducing metformin as he’s on 4 a day. Is this normal do you think as they don’t want to see him for a year now, which is a long time between check ups and as they said it’s in remission I thought they might review the need for so much metformin? Is it usual to keep up high dose for first year after diagnosis? Makes me worry that it’s the metformin that is keeping his BG normal levels rather than the low carb/46 lb weight loss etc? Any advice ? Debbie

 

[Drummer]

Metformin doesn't grab glucose and drag it out of the bloodstream - part of its working is to inhibit the liver from releasing glucose, which is why for some people it can make them hypo, though it is not a common occurrence.
I would doubt that it is anything but the good work on diet and weightloss which is keeping blood glucose down - I ditched the tablets as they made me really ill and found that I don't need them, but I suspect that my doctor is sulking, and I was called it to be encouraged to take them again on at least three occasions until I gave a graphic description of the consequences.

 

[DebbieC]

Metformin doesn't grab glucose and drag it out of the bloodstream - part of its working is to inhibit the liver from releasing glucose, which is why for some people it can make them hypo, though it is not a common occurrence.
I would doubt that it is anything but the good work on diet and weightloss which is keeping blood glucose down - I ditched the tablets as they made me really ill and found that I don't need them, but I suspect that my doctor is sulking, and I was called it to be encouraged to take them again on at least three occasions until I gave a graphic description of the consequences.

Thanks @Drummer, the medics sure seem keen on the metformin round here, at the Desmond course they were enthusing about the factory where it’s made, we will persevere with low carb which as you know has enabled 3+ stone to disappear ... kind regards Debbie

 

[Martin9]

Hi @DebbieC
I’m a bit surprised that they have put your son on yearly review, at such an early stage and also left him on 4 x Metformin daily as well, is he tolerating them well enough ?
The only good thing about maintaining that level of Metformin apart from lowering the blood sugar production by the liver & increasing muscle cells sensitivity to insulin is is it’s ability to suppress appetite.
I would make an appointment with GP to suggest a lowering of Metformin and earlier review of the lowered dose.
Regards
M.

 

[lizk]

Hi guys, I had my first Hba1c since diagnosis this week and the result was 52! I’m really pleased as I stopped taking Metformin at Christmas and was hoping for a good improvement from my initial 78. Thanks to everyone here for your support and encouragement in those early days. Still a long way to go (rest of my life!), but I feel spurred on to keep going and aim to get it down further for next time (May).
Liz x

 

[Neens]

Congratulations @lizk that's great news and a good fall in levels. Time to change your signature! 😉
Well done!

 

[lizk]

Congratulations @lizk that's great news and a good fall in levels. Time to change your signature! 😉
Well done!

Thanks so much! x

 

[DebbieC]

Hi guys, I had my first Hba1c since diagnosis this week and the result was 52! I’m really pleased as I stopped taking Metformin at Christmas and was hoping for a good improvement from my initial 78. Thanks to everyone here for your support and encouragement in those early days. Still a long way to go (rest of my life!), but I feel spurred on to keep going and aim to get it down further for next time (May).
Liz x

well done that’s fantastic xx

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Congratulations on your A1c improvement 🙂

 

[annealex1]

The more I read the more I am convinced its far too complex to say its the excess fat (especially on your organs) driving it or it's the the insulin levels that drive it.
It is all inter-related so all important.
I think for most people in our situation it's the breaking of our bad life choices which is the important part and some of us (me included) found focusing on my BG levels and dropping carbs has been a good way to getting better, along with the fat loss that I also need and am doing. Others on here have turned things around through fat loss being the main goal rather than the low carbs being highest priority. Also I was suffering from a number of symptoms of having way to much sugar pushed into every part of my body so dropping BGs for me gave me very fast relief to these.

We are all individuals and need to find what works well for ourselves. It's always interesting looking are peoples individual stories to give ideas, although I am sure we read some thinking - "wow I could never do that!" 🙂

Wow, could I do that? Im so impressed. Besides counting the carbs and keeping them to 20 a day, did you calorie count?

 

[karloc]

Wow, could I do that? Im so impressed. Besides counting the carbs and keeping them to 20 a day, did you calorie count?

Thanks, No I dont count calories - don't really believe in them as they are a scientific representation of the energy contained in something - Not an exact measure of what we can absorb from them ( that's just me ).
Having said they can give a bit of a guide that that block of lard is going to be worse than a glass of water 🙂.

I just ate as little as possible, basically eggs, bacon, chicken, tuna (varied each day depending how strong I was) - carbs were from full fat milk on coffee. Depending what your initial goal is,I would vary an approach to suit. I wanted to hammer my BG's down and loose weight - so I went a bit extreame, but that is me really anyway.

I am sure you can do what ever you want, try not to set completly unrealistic goals. Just have to be strong for a few hours at a time and maybe finding things to distract yourself.

Good luck, you can do anything you want 🙂

 

[trophywench]

Try counting the carbs are in what you consider to be 'typical' 'normal' meals - and see how you could without doing anything radical, reduce any - or all of them - in easily achievable steps rather than 'one fell swoop' eg If you boil spuds, boil one less, have a spoonful less rice, a smaller eg cake or only half of one or whatever it happens to be that happens to seem to fit your personal bill. Like everything else with diabetes, no two of us are the same.

Up to you to find your way!