You DON'T have to be fat and over 40 to develop diabetes...and I'm proof

[Northerner]

Not me, but the lady in this report 🙂

A bit of a turnaround for the Daily Fail, although they still get their facts wrong by stating that "Most diabetics have type-2 diabetes — unlike type-1 diabetes it does not run in families" - despite having just reported "‘My uncle had type-2 diabetes and it was thought that my grandad had it"

Ah well, at least it might make one or two people sit up and think who might have symptoms but feel they are somehow immune because they are not overweight - hopefully it will get such people to get checked out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2064465/You-DONT-fat-40-develop-diabetes--Im-proof.html

 

[grahams mum]

my mother in law she developed type 2 only a few years ago she is 77 now but she is 5 foot 4 inches and she is just 7 stone so she is not fat at all i dont think is only old age .

 

[Caroline]

Atthe moment my sister in law is in nag mode with my brother. My father, an uncle and I all have diabetes and she wants him to go get things checked out. Knowing my brother he wont if he can help it.

 

[Dizzydi]

Finally an article which tells some truths...... will people listen though I wonder ?

 

[AlisonM]

One little drop in an ocean of "it's your own fault". Let's hope it becomes a raging torrent.

 

[mcdonagh47]

Not me, but the lady in this report 🙂

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You DON'T have to be fat and over 40 to develop diabetes ..... but it helps (JOKE)

 

[lizabetic]

Can a slim person get Type 2 diabetes late in life just because your organs are genuinely failing?
I never really understand it alL!

 

[Northerner]

Can a slim person get Type 2 diabetes late in life just because your organs are genuinely failing?
I never really understand it alL!

My neighbour, who has just turned 70, was recently diagnosed Type 2. He is slim and very active and from talking to him has always had a good diet, never drinks and never smoked. His mother, however, was also diagnosed in her mid-70s, so it seems likely that in his case he had a strong genetic propensity that manifested itself in later life. He's diet and exercise controlled.

 

[Robster65]

Some limited research suggests that a major factor in insulin resistance is fat deposits in the liver and pancreas (I think) which, if removed by exercise and/or dietary restriction can return insulin to normal or near-normal levels.

This can be a genetic feature in very thin people, but is clearly not the whole picture.

It seems that there are a whole host of genetic and environmental factors that can lead to type 2 that act individually or together, giving such a wide range of treatment needs. Sadly, many clinicians still see it as a self-inflicted problem of fat, lazy people. No wonder many type 2s struggle with control and often don't attend further checks with their doctors.

Rob

 

[mcdonagh47]

range of treatment needs. Sadly, many clinicians still see it as a self-inflicted problem of fat, lazy people.
Rob

I've been Type 2 for 19 years and I have never come across any evidence to suggest that "many clinicians" think Type 2 diabetes is "a self-inflicted problem of fat, lazy people".
Where is your evidence for saying that ?

 

[Robster65]

I've been Type 2 for 19 years and I have never come across any evidence to suggest that "many clinicians" think Type 2 diabetes is "a self-inflicted problem of fat, lazy people".
Where is your evidence for saying that ?

Purely anecdotal McD. We have had new members who say they've been told to lose weight and get some exercise and sent packing. They've also said that they felt an implication of blame.

I don't have any statistical charts to prove it sadly but if you say I'm wrong, then I'll have to accept I'm wrong.

Rob

 

[mcdonagh47]

Purely anecdotal McD. We have had new members who say they've been told to lose weight and get some exercise and sent packing. Rob

EVERY new T2 is told to lose weight and start getting some exercise ! That's the first step on the treatment ladder. So being told that isn't a moral judgement on fat lazy people - its the "best practice" professional advice as outlined by NICE. And its important because new T2s have to understand the absolute necessity of a change of Lifestyle plus just losing 10% of body weigh reduces IR and improves bgs no end ( ask AndyHB).
There isn't a "clinician" in the field of Type 2 Diabetes who doesn't know that it is a genetic condition.
How many "clinicians" have you actually talked to about Type 2 Diabetes ?

 

[cherrypie]

I think that we are talking about the blame game here. Stereotyping Type2's is a national sport in the media and many Type2's take this on board and blame themselves. It is said time and time again by people who know that not all obese people are Type2 and not all Type2 are obese.

 

[Andy HB]

EVERY new T2 is told to lose weight and start getting some exercise ! That's the first step on the treatment ladder. So being told that isn't a moral judgement on fat lazy people - its the "best practice" professional advice as outlined by NICE. And its important because new T2s have to understand the absolute necessity of a change of Lifestyle plus just losing 10% of body weigh reduces IR and improves bgs no end ( ask AndyHB).
There isn't a "clinician" in the field of Type 2 Diabetes who doesn't know that it is a genetic condition.
How many "clinicians" have you actually talked to about Type 2 Diabetes ?

Sticks head up and nods!

But I was fortunate too in that my pancreas still produces a reasonable quantity of insulin. Some Type 2's are not so lucky.

Andy 🙂

 

[cherrypie]

EVERY new T2 is told to lose weight and start getting some exercise ! That's the first step on the treatment ladder. So being told that isn't a moral judgement on fat lazy people - its the "best practice" professional advice as outlined by NICE. And its important because new T2s have to understand the absolute necessity of a change of Lifestyle plus just losing 10% of body weigh reduces IR and improves bgs no end ( ask AndyHB).
There isn't a "clinician" in the field of Type 2 Diabetes who doesn't know that it is a genetic condition.
How many "clinicians" have you actually talked to about Type 2 Diabetes ?

I would query the use of the word EVERY at the start of your post. I am underweight and Type2. To lose 10% of my weight would be ridiculous for me.

 

[Robster65]

I would query the use of the word EVERY at the start of your post. I am underweight and Type2. To lose 10% of my weight would be ridiculous for me.

But sadly, some GPs, ours included, don't know what to suggest beyond lose weight and exercise. Most of the information and advice on the internet assumes obesity and low metabolic rate.

Sadly, again, I haven't conducted scientific research into it but I feel pretty confident in my assertion.🙄

Rob

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

EVERY new T2 is told to lose weight and start getting some exercise ! That's the first step on the treatment ladder. So being told that isn't a moral judgement on fat lazy people - its the "best practice" professional advice as outlined by NICE.

But NICE don't expect D&E to work do they. And even though they report that SMBG makes D&E far more effective, they won't support it as a stand alone therapy. Why? Because it seems they don't believe people will be able to make the lifestyle changes they need - they expect people to be on meds within 3 months.

Maintenance of glucose control to target levels is achieved in only very few people with Type 2 diabetes for more than a few months using lifestyle measures alone (T2 Guidelines 9.1)

And yet on forums like this people who obtain the tools to maximise D&E (often funded out of their own pocket) seem to have significantly better D&E outcomes, and for years not months in some cases. Meds are not a failure on the part of the patient by any means, but as our resident test case on this thread Andy will tell you - they don't have to be inevitable and/or permanent either 🙂

 

[Andy HB]

But NICE don't expect D&E to work do they. And even though they report that SMBG makes D&E far more effective, they won't support it as a stand alone therapy. Why? Because it seems they don't believe people will be able to make the lifestyle changes they need - they expect people to be on meds within 3 months.



And yet on forums like this people who obtain the tools to maximise D&E (often funded out of their own pocket) seem to have significantly better D&E outcomes, and for years not months in some cases. Meds are not a failure on the part of the patient by any means, but as our resident test case on this thread Andy will tell you - they don't have to be inevitable and/or permanent either 🙂

Looks up again and nods, sagely. 🙂

From day one following diagnosis I was put on gliclazide, but after a few weeks was moved on to metformin. But from day one, I also starting walking regularly (even when I felt pretty grotty on the way back with what I assume to be 'false hypos').

Just three months after diagnosis after losing just 1 stone, I was also able to come of the metformin (against the advice of the consultant because they like people to stay on it for its heart protecting properties). I always treated the medication as a kick start helping get my bg's under control again. But I was quite happy not to have to take it either!

Since then (21 months) I've been D&E and up to now have been reasonably well controlled (last HbA1c was best ever at 5.8% - 40mmol/mol).

Andy 🙂

 

[mcdonagh47]

I would query the use of the word EVERY at the start of your post. I am underweight and Type2. To lose 10% of my weight would be ridiculous for me.

You're not a new T2, you have had it for 7 years. What did you weigh at diagnosis and, out of interest, what were the changes you made to your diet that even your partner has ahdad to adjust to ?

 

[mcdonagh47]

But sadly, some GPs, ours included, don't know what to suggest beyond lose weight and exercise.
Rob

Crikey are you now claiming that your GP hasn't heard of Metformin, Gliclazide , insulin - that's simply impossible to believe !