why is nothing said about those that cannot have the vaccine

[Jan1967]

Hi i am getting more and more annoyed, as on social media and on news all i see is the people who have had vaccine and headlines must get people vaccinated I am type 2 had covid last October and now long covid, various symptoms, loosing hair about 50 % of my hair at the moment, blood pressure higher than normal, blood sugar higher than normal and now problem s with liver this has all been since covid, i had pretty good control before i had covid, now its great if you can be vaccinated, brilliant but there is no mention anywhere of those like me who cannot have the vaccine, due to previous adverse allergic reaction history, i badly react to the flu jab so cannot have it and react to a few medications and unexplaned rashes, now i went for the vaccine in february but after the questions on my history backed up with pictures i have kept of the reactions they said they could not give it to me, as i have had covid i could react worse due to my history and on seeing the pictures they would not let me have it they told me to contact the vaccination centre, which i did do, email came back that they would have to pass my email to a doctor for an opinion. Finally got another email back which said to do a allergy test and to speak to ,my gp, which i did who knows i have already had allergy testing done in the past and they could not pinpoint the exact causes of some of my allergies and with what i have going on at the moment, scans and that to do with my liver come first, i work for the NHS and have been off work i was not sheilding in the beginning but in March i recieved a sheilding letter for 12 weeks, which was cut short as the goverment annouced sheilding was to end on the 31st March but my occuy health department would not let me back in work untill spoken with their gp, along with the nurse and the doctor both have advised for me not to get the vaccine at the moment their words where i am unsuitable for the vaccine. occuy health have now cleared me so I am going back to work in a couple of weeks, so a bit nervous but have to go back now.

My reaction to the flu jab was swollen face, both eyelids swelled that much i could not see out of my eyes much for a few days then very red rash for a few weeks on the face, and chest, similar thing happened with some medications, another rash was very large lumps on arms legs, not pleasant and but me out of action for a few weeks so i am no way chancing the vaccine, just why is this never mentioned anywhere, i know i am not on my own but do we not matter, anyway sorry for the long post, i am just wondering on here is there anyone else who cannot have the vaccine thanks Janine

 

[Lucyr]

Everything I’ve seen has said either previous Covid diagnosis or the vaccination give the protection so I don’t think you not having the jab will affect your immunity, you should have that from the previous Covid.

 

[trophywench]

Well they want as many people as ever possible to get the jab to protect the likes of yourself and newborn babies so we can all get back to socially mixing and doing anything and everything (within reason) that we always have done whether that's kissing our friends and rellies, or climbing mountains, so why don't you want them to keep on telling other folk to get jabbed? (Tell em what you're going to tell them. Tell them. Tell them what you just told them. Repeat, on a loop, ad infinitum!)

 

[Thebearcametoo]

I sympathise. With every vaccine there will be people advised not to have it because of their own health issues or because of adverse reactions to previous vaccines. This is between you and your medical team and not necessary to state in the media. If people go for vaccination without realising it will become clear in the questions you have to answer before getting the jab which include questions about allergies and the vaccine will be refused as happened in your case. What the media and publicity campaigns are about it getting those eligible to take up the vaccine as herd immunity matters to reduce the spread of the virus and to help minimise mutations of the virus (which are more likely to happen when the virus is more prevalent). Herd immunity applies to vaccination numbers not to letting the actual virus run through the population as Johnson and his team have seemed to imply. Right now vaccination is our best way to get on top of this in the long term and there will be blunt messages about everyone needing to be vaccinated the caveat is always ‘everyone who is able should have the vaccine when it is offered to them’.

I hope your return to work is without incident. There will be stats of how many of the general population are vaccinated and in NHS etc there will be stats for unvaccinated staff and much will be made of this. You don’t need to defend yourself as to why you haven’t been vaccinated and it may get frustrating to hear talk around it but your GP has said you shouldn’t have it and you don’t need to feel defensive about not having it.

 

[Jan1967]

Hi all thanks
I think i just feel guilty not having it and feel under pressure, but I should not and i think it scare me that if they bring covid passports in, i can understand for abroad holidays, well i dont go abroad so that should not worry me, but if they bring it it for shopping or it stops me from doing stuff in this country, i think that would bother me but wait and see eh if anything what there talking about comes in. cheers Janine

 

[Bruce Stephens]

I think i just feel guilty not having it and feel under pressure, but I should not and i think it scare me that if they bring covid passports in

All the certification things I've heard of include options for people who haven't been vaccinated. So either you've been vaccinated, you have evidence for prior infection (and assumed recovery), or you have had a recent negative test. That's true of Israel's green card system, for example.

So I guess it'll be a bit more annoying for people who can't be vaccinated (you'll need to take more tests) but I'm also guessing even if these things start being used domestically at least some applications will always ask for a recent test anyway and not bother with vaccine status. I doubt it'll ever happen anyway: I think we'll have enough people vaccinated (or who've recovered from infection) that the virus will fade away and we don't need to worry.

 

[helli]

@Bruce Stephens you mention the protection you have from being infected. Do you know how long that protection lasts?
I know of people who have been infected more than once just a couple of months apart.
I guess no one knows how long the vaccines last but they are talking about boosters for that. Will you need another covid infection booster?

 

[Bruce Stephens]

Do you know how long that protection lasts?

No. I think for Israel's green card the infection needs to be within 6 months, but that's a procedural thing rather than a comment on scientific certainty.

I guess no one knows how long the vaccines last but they are talking about boosters for that. Will you need another covid infection booster?

Yes, for the moment it's not known. I get the impression the booster is mostly to provide a bit more protection against one or two of the variants.

And yes, I suspect if you want to use previous infection as evidence of immunity then if your infection was over 6 months ago that's not going to be acceptable (so you'd need to take a test instead). But infection rates in Israel are becoming so low that I presume the green cards will be dropped. Already there've been reports that they're not being used that rigorously.

 

[Amity Island]

some applications will always ask for a recent test anyway and not bother with vaccine status.

That's a valid point Bruce and it's why I don't understand why if you have a "vaccine" passport that it should allow you to travel freely. Having a vaccine doesn't stop you catching the virus nor does it prevent transmission, so why would having proof of one allow free movement? As you say, a test is the only option if we are trying to stop the spread.

So what is the purpose of the vaccine "passports" if it's not to prevent spread?

 

[Bruce Stephens]

Having a vaccine doesn't stop you catching the virus nor does it prevent transmission, so why would having proof of one allow free movement?

It's a policy choice. The vaccines do reduce infection and transmission, but not to nothing. Likely they reduce transmission enough that the confidence you get from that is about what you'd get from a test (since the tests have false negatives, and you might have taken the test a few days before and since become infectious, etc.).

 

[Amity Island]

It's a policy choice. The vaccines do reduce infection and transmission, but not to nothing. Likely they reduce transmission enough that the confidence you get from that is about what you'd get from a test (since the tests have false negatives, and you might have taken the test a few days before and since become infectious, etc.).

So in response to @Jan1967 I don't feel like it is necessary to make those who can't (or don't want) the vaccine to worry too much or feel too pressurerd as those who have had the vaccine can transmit the virus too. As you say, a prior infection or a test is also quite acceptable if one wishes to travel abroad.

 

[Bruce Stephens]

So in response to @Jan1967 I don't feel like it is necessary to make those who can't (or don't want) the vaccine to worry too much or feel too pressurerd as those who have had the vaccine can transmit the virus too.

I also don't think people should feel guilty if they're not able to have a vaccine. It's always been accepted that some people can't (and a larger number won't).

I do think it's reasonable to try and persuade people who're choosing not to have it--the more people are vaccinated the better. (It's not something I'm likely to do. For one thing as far as I'm aware almost everyone I know has either had a vaccine or is eager to be invited. Largely due to my age, I suspect.)

While vaccinated people can become infected and transmit the virus, we're less likely to than people who haven't been. (I don't know how those compare to people who have recovered from an infection.)