Waitrose Seeded Wholemeal Rolls

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I've picked up some good ideas from this forum, so I thought I'd join so I can return the favour by mentioning Waitrose Seeded Wholemeal Rolls.

The reason I think they might be worth a try is that they get a good score for me on my Zoe app.

If you aren't familiar with Zoe, I'll need to explain, so you can understand why this might be relevant. Zoe is not specifically aimed at diabetics; it is a service that provides personalised recommendations about food. You do tests: a blood test after eating standardised muffins and a stool test and a blood sugar monitor for 2 weeks. When they have processed the results, they make recommendations about foods you should eat more or less of. You enter the food in an app and it gives you a score out of 100 for each food. The score will be different depending on your test results. The higher the score, the more of the food you should aim to eat.

The tests showed that my body has poor blood sugar control. Zoe does not make diagnoses, so I checked with the GP and I'm not diabetic, but I am at risk of it. The point is that my Zoe scores are mainly a reflection of how likely a particular food is to produce a blood sugar spike/dip. I've found that if a food is good for diabetics it tends to get a good score from Zoe on my app. Most white bread gets 0, most wholemeal gets 5-30. I was overjoyed to discover there are some tasty breads that Zoe says are fine for me, such as LivLife, which gets 93!

Sorry, lengthy explanation, but I can now get to the point. I was scanning barcodes in the app and Waitrose Seeded Wholemeal Rolls get 52, which is the best I've found for a bread roll. So, it might be worth checking out.

I know the Lidl Low-GI rolls are popular here, but the app does not yet have Lidl stuff, so I can't compare scores. Based on carbs alone, the Waitrose rolls are lower per 100g, but I realise that is not the only relevant factor.
 
Eat what you enjoy but watch those carbs, 22.5 per roll might be a bit high for some, but if you like them give them a go
 
FWIW, on a tangent, Nicola Guess of KCL has had some fun pieces trashing Zoe and other microbiome-based personalised nutrition plays. She and and it appears many other nutrition experts believe they're essentially just scams at this point. Guess looked at Zoe's details and as far as she could tell pretty much everybody gets the same advice: more protein, less high fat+high GI foods. So much for precision personalisation ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551632239003402243

Microbiome-related stuff is generally much more hype than substance, so far.
 
Eddy Edson said:
She and and it appears many other nutrition experts believe they're essentially just scams at this point.
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I'm not trying to persuade anyone to do Zoe. Even were it a scam, it does not mean that the Waitrose bread rolls aren't worth looking at.

Academics disagree; it's what they do. It is certainly true that nutrition science has not reached consensus on some of the ideas behind Zoe. Indeed, Zoe is honest enough to say that they may change their ratings as more research emerges. On the other hand, Zoe is run by people who are objectively some of the top experts in the world, so it isn't nonsense.
 
The only way you can tell if a food suits YOU is testing your blood glucose with a monitor as everybody responds differently to foods.
 
Eddy Edson said:
Microbiome-related stuff is generally much more hype than substance, so far.
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A fellow gymmer was telling me about Zoe (it was the reason why she was wearing a Libre). I don’t know her well enough to feel comfortable exposing my ignorance so I will do so here: what is a “gut micro biome”?
 
helli said:
A fellow gymmer was telling me about Zoe (it was the reason why she was wearing a Libre). I don’t know her well enough to feel comfortable exposing my ignorance so I will do so here: what is a “gut micro biome”?
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It is basically the cocktail of bacteria everybody has in their gut, they help with digestion of foods but everybody may have a slightly different 'cocktail' which is why people will digest carbohydrates from different sources better than others.
 
Your gut microbiome also changes to some extent when you change your diet. For instance, when babies are first introduced to solid foods (foods other than breast/formula milk) this is often clearly seen by output. Most milk-fed babies have mustard-yellow stools. Initially on starting to try solids babies often pass some of their first foods completely undigested, and this may be obvious in their stool. But as the gut microbiome adapts they start to digest the foods they are eating, and their stools change to resemble an "adult" stool.
 
helli said:
A fellow gymmer was telling me about Zoe (it was the reason why she was wearing a Libre). I don’t know her well enough to feel comfortable exposing my ignorance so I will do so here: what is a “gut micro biome”?
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I remember a study published in Cell some years ago which looked at the glucose response of around 50,000 meals among 800 people and found some bewildering differences in reactions to the same foods. One of the factors they investigated was ‘gut microbiota’.

Essentially it showed what we’ve known on the forum for some time… Just because something is claimed to be ‘slow release’ doesn’t guarantee that it’ll be slow release for YOU 🙂

There’s a link to the study in this blog post I made at the time:

www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk

Your Diabetes May Vary (again!) - BG variation after food

Which would hit your bloodstream faster, a banana or a biscuit? Pure glucose or a slice of white bread?
www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk
 
everydayupsanddowns said:
I remember a study published in Cell some years ago which looked at the glucose response of around 50,000 meals among 800 people and found some bewildering differences in reactions to the same foods. One of the factors they investigated was ‘gut microbiota’.

Essentially it showed what we’ve known on the forum for some time… Just because something is claimed to be ‘slow release’ doesn’t guarantee that it’ll be slow release for YOU 🙂

There’s a link to the study in this blog post I made at the time:

www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk

Your Diabetes May Vary (again!) - BG variation after food

Which would hit your bloodstream faster, a banana or a biscuit? Pure glucose or a slice of white bread?
www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk
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IIRC, that was part of the work which has been commercialised as "Zoe".

I also thought it was pretty neat at the time, but since then it has been subject to critical gzes from several directions which makes me dial down its rating on my NeatOMeter.

I linked to some of this from Nicola Guess above. From a different direction, Kevin Hall's group looked at how robust the results were in light of CGM inaccuracies, and concluded that they weren't very rbust at all:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1292196012774363137

Precision nutrition approaches seeking to personalize meals to minimize glycemic responses via one CGM may not necessarily recommend the same meals according to another CGM.

A lot of the commentary contrasts issues with the basic science with the business model adopted for commercialisation, ie raise a sh*tload of VC funding & hype the thing like you're a shady keto grifter on facebook, maybe not a great look for researchers from top tier institutions.

And the Zoe customer wearing a Libre at the gym, mentioned above, illustrates another facet. Partly because CGM's enable monitoring of BG in real time, party because BG shows the most pronounced reaction to food etc, it means that these send-us-your-poo-and-your-money grifters encourage people to focus on it instead of more important markers like eg cholesterol and BP, while at the same time normal glycemic changes become pathologised. "OMG I ate a banana and my Libre went to 6.9! I must stop eating fruit and eat more bacon" etc etc etc.

The CGM makers love it ...
 
We just need to wait for them to work out the ideal gut microbiome and give us our bacterial transplants 😉😛
 
42istheanswer said:
We just need to wait for them to work out the ideal gut microbiome and give us our bacterial transplants 😉😛
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Some people have been given faecal transplants to replace gut flora after intense antibiotic treatment which had destroyed their own gut flora.
A colleague made himself extremely ill but taking 2 litres a day of probiotics. So everything in moderation even if it is supposed to be good for you.
 
Leadinglights said:
Some people have been given faecal transplants to replace gut flora after intense antibiotic treatment which had destroyed their own gut flora.
A colleague made himself extremely ill but taking 2 litres a day of probiotics. So everything in moderation even if it is supposed to be good for you.
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I'm sure I read something about trialling faecal transplants for altering digestion of some kind of food too
 
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