Utter rubbish

[Redkite]

Feeling annoyed! There is a thread on a local Facebook group (town, not diabetes) about juices and juicers, and one person posted that she couldn't drink juices because she was (type 2) diabetic. Some other person posted this link:

http://www.juicetherapy.co.uk/diabetes/

What nonsense! Apparently type 1's have to have daily intravenous insulin 🙂eek🙂, and type 2's can take an insulin pill. Plus other rubbish.....What do I say to that? I am feeling argumentative 😡

 

[HOBIE]

I keep well away from Farsebook ! 😉

 

[Northerner]

Good grief! 😱 I need to email them immediately and tell them what utter balderdash that article is!!! Where on earth did they get their information from? Or did they just make it up? 😱

I'll let you know if I get a reply.

 

[Redkite]

Thankyou Alan - please do! The individual who posted the link has PM'd me (because I posted saying people with D should disregard it and take advice from their own dietician) - she is one of those types who goes on "juice retreats" - oh dear oh dear.

 

[Northerner]

I wrote this:

Hi,

I just had to write to let you know how appallingly incorrect your webpage article on diabetes is. The page is:

http://www.juicetherapy.co.uk/diabetes/

This is just wrong on so many counts – what research was done before writing it? Or did you just make it up?

ALL types of diabetes (except diabetes insipidus, which is a completely different disease) are ‘diabetes mellitus

There are more than two types

No-one knows what causes Type 1, and if can occur just as frequently in adults as in children

Intravenous insulin would probably kill people – insulin is injected subcutaneously

There is no such thing as an insulin pill for Type 2


I suggest you have a look on the Diabetes UK website and update your article from the information provided there.

Yours,

Alan

 

[Copepod]

Actually, insulin can be given intraveneously - but is only done so in hospital conditions, when a glucose drip is balanced with insulin in a syringe driver eg when person is undergoing surgery or unable to eat in ICU.

However, it is far more usual to be self administered subcutaneously.

 

[Redkite]

Thanks! 🙂. Another person has just posted on the thread that they have "seen diabetes reversed through juicing".....bangs head on wall....

 

[qwertyfan]

that sent me mental. feeling so low and pissed off this week anyway I felt compelled to write.

I am writing in regard to your published page about diabetes, http://www.juicetherapy.co.uk/diabetes/, and the information included in it.

Diabetes Type 1, which I have recently been diagnosed at age 47, I can tell you is not congenital. It is an auto-immune disease.
Although whilst hospitalised I received initial doses of insulin intravenously my daily medications are actually administered subcutaneously.

I take issue with your assertion that this insulin regime allows me to eat what I want and get away with it. Frankly eating now feels to me like a daily case for survival. Despite the guidance from my Diabetic Specialist Nurse and the Food Nutritionists that I speak to regularly to try the best to live my life normally, I have, as many in my position do, made many changes to my diet. I do this because the feeling of excess sugar in my bloodstream is frankly quite horrible.

However, the point I find most disturbing, and to the point of dangerous, is your assertion that I could take up your juicing regime. “The information provided below is based on those suffering with Type II diabetes, but will do no harm to those with Type I.”

I’m sure you are aware that fruit in particular contains fructose which is a carbohydrate. As a type I diabetic it is exactly this kind of intake which I have to monitor upwards of 6-8 times a day. Far from not coming to harm were I to follow such a regime I would very quickly end up in hospital were I not to take due care and attention.
I trust your intentions are good, and that for those who wish to follow your regime great benefits can be found. For those with a chronic disease such as diabetes, type I, Type II, Type 1.5 or any of the myriad of variants that are still being discovered, no such change in diet should be countenanced without proper medical advice, and you should at the very least state this before someone under your care risks serious harm.

I respectively request that you remove this page subsequent to you rewriting the information so that you no longer provide either false, inaccurate or downright dangerous information.

 

[Northerner]

Nice one qwertyfan 🙂 I got an 'out of office' response to my email. I also posted the page in a Facebook group and a lot of them are writing also, so I guess they are going to get a big surprise when they get 'back in the office'! 😱

 

[Redkite]

Well done qwerty fan! I emailed them too:

"Hi,

Please can I ask you to either remove or correct your page concerning people with diabetes, as it is factually incorrect. (http://www.juicetherapy.co.uk/diabetes/).

Both type 1 and type 2 diabetes are called "diabetes mellitus".

Type 1 is not "congenital" - it is caused by autoimmune destruction of the beta cells in the pancreas, leading to no insulin being produced at all. It is NOT, as you have stated, due to a "defective pancreas from birth or before", and indeed can occur at any time of life, not just in young children. It is NOT the case that the pancreas is "not supplying insulin in the right way", as in fact it is not supplying insulin AT ALL. Treatment is with insulin injections or insulin pump therapy (subcutaneously), NOT intravenous insulin. A person with type 1 would die without this treatment.

Type 2 is caused by insulin resistance and/or the inability of the pancreas to produce sufficient insulin. It can be associated with obesity or an unhealthy lifestyle, but often is not. The treatment is NOT "insulin pills" (there is no such thing). Some people with type 2 manage their condition by eating a lower carb diet and increasing exercise levels, others additionally need oral medications (various types, some of which increase insulin sensitivity, others stimulate the pancreas to produce more insulin), and some people with type 2 will need to inject insulin.

Your web page also states that "children of ages in single figures are presenting with type 2 diabetes where their diets have been loaded with processed foods and refined sugars from weaning." I would be interested to see the source of your statistics, as type 2 is extremely rare in children. It would be irresponsible to promote juices to parents who are weaning their children, without being clear that high sugar content from a juice is just as undesirable as equivalent sugar from a processed food, even though juices contain more nutrients. The whole fruit or vegetable is better for young children, with water as a drink. Dentists would also concur with this.

Dietary advice for people with any health condition should not be offered by websites such as yours. People with diabetes should seek advice from their own endocrinologist or dietician at their clinic. For the record, juices can certainly have a place in a balanced diet, BUT people with diabetes need to consider their total carbohydrate intake (not just the sugars), and for many it is actually better for their diabetes management to eat the whole fruit or vegetable, with fibre slowing down the digestion, than to take it as juice.

Please amend this page, or remove it altogether, as the information it gives could be dangerous for the health of people with diabetes.

Thank you."

I have received an out-of-office reply with "helpful" links about how juices can help other "ailments" - dread to think what advice they are giving out

I have also shared in the cwd Facebook group. When the lady is back in the office she may find a rather full inbox!

 

[qwertyfan]

well said Redkite.
chances of the page being removed? I doubt it personally. Obviously we'll all be wrong and her snakeoil salesman mentor will have all the answers!

 

[happydog]

Hope they take notice. I have a friend who is into jucieng and was trying to convince me to just have juice on certain days each week to "cure" my diabetes. Of course I ignored her 🙂

 

[Northerner]

I have had this reply:

"I am writing in response to the comments regarding the article on diabetes taken from the A-Z on the Juicemaster Site. I am the one who wrote the article and firstly I would like to give my sincere apologies to all whom have felt so passionate about the content that they have had to take the time out of their day to respond. I would like to begin by saying thank you for all the comments that have been forwarded to me so far, as a nation we are known as non-complainers but I am someone who believes nothing will change until we challenge those who, in our opinion are telling us untruths. So I can assure you I will be going through each point very carefully and, will change any inaccuracies I pick up. I, like you, are very passionate about what I believe in - I strongly believe in the body's innate ability to heal itself of most, and I reiterate "most" degenerative diseases with good nutrition; my intention is, and always has been to share what I have learnt - I am a great beli ever in freedom of choice but this can only be achieved if we are given the facts, we can all research and find studies to bear out what we believe is true, but at the end of the day it is down to the individual to take on board what makes sense the them. You may not agree with what I have written but again I can assure you the articles are written to try and help people and not to harm them - so as previously mentioned I will be going through what I have written and will back each point up with my research source."

It will be interesting to see what the article looks like after revision! 🙂

 

[Redkite]

I have received an identical reply (signed off with "juicy regards" - oh dear me!). I would love to know what "sources" her information comes from. The Daily Mail perhaps? I hope nobody with diabetes reads her info and trusts it!

 

[Northerner]

I have received an identical reply (signed off with "juicy regards" - oh dear me!). I would love to know what "sources" her information comes from. The Daily Mail perhaps? I hope nobody with diabetes reads her info and trusts it!

I'd love to know how many people wrote in, I bet she was horrified! 😱 It's a pretty horrible feeling to be 'found out' like that, but hopefully a good life lesson and more rigorous research in future 🙂

 

[Redkite]

I'd love to know how many people wrote in, I bet she was horrified! 😱 It's a pretty horrible feeling to be 'found out' like that, but hopefully a good life lesson and more rigorous research in future 🙂

I don't think she has actually admitted yet that anything is wrong! But at least she's having another look. We shall see!

Juicy regards 😛

 

[DeusXM]

Looks like they've panicked and taken down the diabetes page.

This made me laugh though:

http://www.juicetherapy.co.uk/jason-vale/

Apparently, Mr Vale used to suffer from severe psoriasis, eczema, asthma, hay fever and obesity.

Then he started juicing and now he's healthy.

He also gave up smoking 60 cigarettes and drinking 14 pints of lager a day too.

But that's just a coincidence. It was definitely the juicing that stopped him being unhealthy 😉

 

[Abi]

ROTFLMAO
Couldn't make it up

 

[Northerner]

Love it DeusXM!

 

[Andy HB]

I choose to believe that standing on one leg whilst whistling the star spangled banner and wiggling my toes will keep me free of flu. I do it every day and have been flu free for years.

Andy (that and I have a regular yearly flu jab) HB 🙄