UK approves Covid vaccines for Babies

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Amity Island said:
Given the mRNA vaccines comes through in the breast milk anyway, seems unneccesary.
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Traces were found in some women's breast milk but nobody thinks that has any effect. As I understand it babies don't really have much of an adaptive immune system so vaccines aren't that helpful.

I presume MHRA is approving these for 6 months to 5 years (most of who wouldn't be getting much, if any, breast milk), and I'd guess JVCI won't recommend them for actual use anyway. It's apparently better for UK children to be repeatedly infected.

(Antibodies and cytokines do transfer and seem to provide some immunity. https://journals.lww.com/greenjourn...ing_antibodies_and_cytokines_in_breast.6.aspx )
 
Bruce Stephens said:
Traces were found in some women's breast milk but nobody thinks that has any effect. As I understand it babies don't really have much of an adaptive immune system so vaccines aren't that helpful.

I presume MHRA is approving these for 6 months to 5 years (most of who wouldn't be getting much, if any, breast milk), and I'd guess JVCI won't recommend them for actual use anyway. It's apparently better for UK children to be repeatedly infected.

(Antibodies and cytokines do transfer and seem to provide some immunity. https://journals.lww.com/greenjourn...ing_antibodies_and_cytokines_in_breast.6.aspx )
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Babies routine vaccines start at 8 weeks, and BCG can be given at birth, as can Hep B for children of Hep B positive mothers (a dose at birth, another at 4 weeks, the 3 routine doses at 8, 12 and 16 weeks plus a booster at 12 months greatly reduces the chance of those babies developing Hep B as a result of antenatal/birth exposure).

The reason we don't give the other routine vaccines until 8 weeks is because newborn babies still have active circulating antibodies from their mother, which can mean that their immune system doesn't get time to mount a response to the antigen in the vaccine. As those start to naturally break down, babies lose that initial protection against serious illnesses like diphtheria and pertussis, so need to learn to make their own antibodies.
 
Whether or not it would be helpful for most babies to have a covid vaccine is another matter, I too suspect the JCVI will not recommend it routinely for all babies and young children.

The babies and toddlers on my caseload who were identified as being covid positive initially, were identified via routine screening when they were hospitalised for something else. For some reason it didn't seem to be as severe for them as influenza can be, unlike the case for healthy adults.
 
Amity Island said:
Might be in the media, but I'd expect any medical professional to be using the correct terms. Sarscov2 is a virus which in some people can lead to covid19. To inform someone they are covid19 positive from only a sarscov2 test is impossible. There must be some relevant symptoms too.

To confuse everyone further, they call these positive sarscov2 tests "cases". Again, how can we be a covid19 case, without having a case of covid19?

And then they count deaths as covid deaths, just from a positive sarscov2 test.
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:rollingeyes: you're still playing word games. Health professionals are expected to talk in plain English nowadays so that ordinary people can understand what is meant
 
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