Tiredness......

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rossi_mac

rossi_mac

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Morning campers,

Right this has been on my mind for a while, tiredness that is. Me mother has always said that I'm always doing to much and always tired, but what would she know!😉

Anyway as many others on here I hate pointing the finger at diabetes, but maybe this one is related!?

I bought a book recently and although I have barely got past the intro, my wife read a bit and said it said that if you wake up very tired (yes!) then it could be because you dipped low overnight?

I don't think my levels suggest a low over night, for example this morning I woke at 4.4 and found it hard to get up and feel a bit dizzy even now.

Generally I wake between 5 and 8, and although I don't religiously test before bed, if there is a chance of being low or high I do test and eat/inject accordingly.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

A tired Rossi🙄
 
To me your levels dont suggest an overnight low, I would have thought they would be higher if you had gone low and then rebounded. Have you ever done any tests at 2-3am to check?
It was thought at one point that I was having over night lows but having a CGMS for 3 days showed that I wasn't.

Is your general sleep ok, like fall asleep quite easily, don't wake up multiple times in the night?

I also feel tired and exhausted all the time, not sure if it's diabetes, medication, depression or a combination of them all. Do you ever have time off when you just relax and don't do much, do you still wake up feeling tired then?

Sorry no real solutions for you
 
Me being type 2 and all i can associate with the tiredness but thats if i have been running HI have you tried taking a daily multi-vitamin as you maybe lacking some nutrients, if you have tried that then you need to check in with your GP as it maybe something more serious or maybe you are under some form of stress. It could even be that you are just tried and need some rest.Maybe you lack iron? .have a think do you sometimes oversleep and are your sleep patterns simlier Rossi?
 
Rossi,

Do you snore by any chance? Ok, so save you confessing, I used to, when I first moved to Wiltshire I was doing long hours and rather than setting up home took a room in a pub :D

Well, there was music, chat and the likes and they could still hear me snoring from my room in the far corner of the restaurant! Seemingly I was loud.

I tried various things, then ended up seeing the doc - I could very often feel myself dropping off in the afternoon and nothing would stop me - including work 😱

I was sent to see a sleep specialist, who did some tests on my sats etc and took me into hospital for a night, tried me on a CPAP (Continuous Positive Air Pressure) machine and despite it being 5 hours sleep on a hospital bed, for the first time I could remember I woke up ready to take on the world. It was fantastic.

My condition was later change from obstructive sleep apnea to mixed sleep apnea, collapsing of the airway and a touch of central [nervous system] sleep apnea as well.

Since then with every decreasing in size and noise, but increasing in comfort, autoset machines I've been fine.

I get times where I don't sleep, or still wake up feeling that I need another 'n' hours sleep, but not that often to say it's inconveniencing me.

Might throw some light on it, might not, but these little machines make SO much difference if you do snore, especially if you drive, reduces that nodding off at the wheel. Oh, if you are diagnosed with sleep apnea you have to inform DVLA immediately. More paperwork 🙄
 
Hi Rossi,

When I started carb counting I used to feel tired all the time because my bloods were actually stable all the time. It had nothing to do with my sleep or lack of it the night before. Just my bloods weren't constantly high.

Tom
 
I snore, so that does have an effect on how tierd I feel when I wake up.

I also find I feel more tierd when the sugars are running high, hubby says the sugars are running rampant and the rest of me can't keep up.
 
Rossi,

I have had the same symptoms for a number of years, even 8-9 hours sleep and I can wake up tired.

Had numerous tests the past couple of years, my diabetes consultant thought I may have sleep apnea, as Einstein has explained in his post. This I was told is quite common in people with diabetes, don't know why, but this was what I was told! This was eventually ruled out, and now they have give up and sent me on my way, suggesting it may be my lifestyle!😡

Perhaps you could try testing before bed, and should you wake during the night, test again. I was told that I may be going low in my sleep, but this was not the case. You would know if you were going low and your liver was dumping, as in the morning your bg would quite high, which is not the case with you as your morning readings of 5-8 is good.

Hope you have better luck than I did at finding the answer, should you find the cause, please let me know.🙂

Toby
 
thats interesting! , i always wake up feeling like i havent been asleep , not a huge snorer tho ( my other half says i do but hasnt yet provided me with evidence that i do😱 lol ) , i do get verry tired mid afternoon and nothing works not even a coffee i can stand my spoon up in , my dsn sugested i might be going low in the night ( i didnt really get that tho because i thought if you went low over night and didnt wake up you were a gonner ) does the book say how that works??
 
bex123 said:
thats interesting! , i always wake up feeling like i havent been asleep , not a huge snorer tho ( my other half says i do but hasnt yet provided me with evidence that i do lol ) , i do get verry tired mid afternoon and nothing works not even a coffee i can stand my spoon up in , my dsn sugested i might be going low in the night ( i didnt really get that tho because i thought if you went low over night and didnt wake up you were a gonner ) does the book say how that works??
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The issue with snoring and I would perhaps suggest a tentative link could be made to diabetics who are larger in size, due to either insulin, lifestyle or other factors could have an obstruction in their airway.

As to why snoring makes you tired it's actually quite straight forward.

I was sent home for a night with a recording oxymeter, monitored my sats and pulse for the night. This was the basis of the initial diagnosis of obstructive, later refined to mixed sleep apnea.

When I saw the consultant, he asked me how many times during the night I'd woken up. Once, perhaps twice to go to the loo??

Wrong in seven and a half hours I'd woken up 237 times - when I'd actually stopped breathing, the longest recorded episode was close on four minutes.

What happens is you draw air in and in and in but don't exhale so you can't draw more air in, as your sats drop because no fresh oxygen is entering your blood, your body has an inbuilt mechanism to wake you up and clear the blockage and therefore allow you to exhale and then inhale fresh air to refill your blood with oxygen.

This is where the reported silence comes from as you can't breath any more, and then the snorts and grunts as your body sorts itself out and grabs the air it so deserately needs.

My sats will often drop to well under 75% and my body still won't trigger on it's own to force me to breath - the respirator type therapy I use monitors my breathing and can increase the air flow into my lungs to a considerable pressure within a split second of starting to see I'm stopping breathing.

This system is now also used for OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea) as well, because it means the machine only works when you need it, it's therefore quieter for your other half 🙄 And they say we don't care!

Sorry if this is rather basic in description, and I also know I am spelling apnea the American way, and it should be apnoea - I think :confused:. But you know me, not up on the medical techno stuff, and can't do the spouting textbooks or google 😛
 
Thanks all,

Interesting stuff, I think I should get better at testing before I hit the hay. My levels generally are good so I can't see it to be from this, I guess it could be just doing to much and too much on my mind, my diet is pretty healthy so don't feel the need for supplements right now. I can get to sleep okay, although sometimes not! and sometimes I do wake easily / a lot, I'm not a snorer (honest!) and have had problems previous behind the wheel, have become a fan of red bull, sugar free obviously! Have been tempted to seek medical advise before especially after watching a few programmes on the telly about people who fall asleep behind the wheel, scary! and I am again now, but it's most likley I'll bury my head in the sand until it gets to me again! Thanks again for a few eye openers I will try and work it out!

Cheers

Rossi:D
 
rossi_mac said:
Thanks all,

Interesting stuff, I think I should get better at testing before I hit the hay. My levels generally are good so I can't see it to be from this, I guess it could be just doing to much and too much on my mind, my diet is pretty healthy so don't feel the need for supplements right now. I can get to sleep okay, although sometimes not! and sometimes I do wake easily / a lot, I'm not a snorer (honest!) and have had problems previous behind the wheel, have become a fan of red bull, sugar free obviously! Have been tempted to seek medical advise before especially after watching a few programmes on the telly about people who fall asleep behind the wheel, scary! and I am again now, but it's most likley I'll bury my head in the sand until it gets to me again! Thanks again for a few eye openers I will try and work it out!

Cheers

Rossi:D
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Rossi, if it's affecting your driving you really should get it looked into, I don't know what you drive but it would be terrible to think of you reliving the scene of you hitting someone because you dropped off behind the wheel.

Stimulants of course have knock on effects, and using them during the day may change how you sleep later on - your forcing your body to change by using artificial stimulants.
 
I understand your concern David, and I have only recently been using redbull, I do not drive excessively, but sometimes head up to Midlands/NE/Scotland, and I have for years had to fight to stay alert, 50% of time on long drive I have a passenger so less problems then, also I find talk radio the best to keep me alert, if I feel I am becoming too twitchy/tired then I pull in have a sleep or food/toilet break etc. I think it was a programme on the box about people falling asleep from the monotony of the motorway that made me think maybe it's not that I'm tired all the time but my brain is wired to do something not very clever! I too find it very scary of the what if's, so will and have refuse to drive if I know I'm not "with-it" enough.

I promise I play safe.
 
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