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The realities of diabetes and poor control

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ukjeff27

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Spoogels posts have certainly given me a wake up call! i will try harder to lose weight and get my bloods down, i was starting to get complacent and now i'm scared silly.
I need to know the truth and i need people to stop ***** footing round me and give me some honest answers, anyone know the TRUE life expectancy of a type 2 with poor (so far) control? 😱
 
Spoogels posts have certainly given me a wake up call! i will try harder to lose weight and get my bloods down, i was starting to get complacent and now i'm scared silly.
I need to know the truth and i need people to stop ***** footing round me and give me some honest answers, anyone know the TRUE life expectancy of a type 2 with poor (so far) control? 😱

that is quite a hard one to answer and i would feel if i was to guess that would be wrong , i would say as we are diabetics we are checked up on and monitored on more so then someone without diabetes so if anything does occur with our heatlh it gets looked into sooner,if that makes sense,

Northener do you think you could split the threads as jeff has brought up a good subject for a topic?????

thanks
 
I dont know the answer, but im sure someone will be able to find that out for you. A good question though, it will help motivate all im sure to looking after ourselves a bit better.
 
ukJeff and spoodgel have made very important points. We must not get complacent about our diabetes, and 'let things slide' as the consequences can be very, very bad.

I remember when I broke my leg and was seeing the physiotherapist, he asked me what I was hoping for from the sessions. I said that I would like to get back running again and be as much like my old self as possible (at the time I could barely walk unaided). He then explained to me that some people reach a certain level and then are happy with that because it allows them to do what they want, more or less e.g. walking to the shops/pub etc. but they aren't prepared to put in the extra work (which may be considerable and time-consuming) to go beyond that.

With legs it is far less important than with something like diabetes, which can affect so many different things -sight, kidneys, feet, heart etc., so we really can't afford to be complacent and 'settle' on a level that is comfortable for us. In the past, diabetes care was such that often people would be llowed to run higher levels because it was so much less effort - back then it was thought that complications were inevitable and so people were allowed to live out their lives until eventually the complications came. We don't have to do that - with work and perseverance we can give ourselves the very best chances of living out full and 'normal' lives, and for those who have already felt the effects of complications, perhaps through misdiagnosis or late diagnosis, they can mitigate te extent and effect of those complications.

It's impossible to sy, I think, what lifespan the average poorly-controlled diabetic can expect, but you can guarantee it will be much shorter than a non-diabetic, so we must strive to keep the best control we can, each and every day!
 
if you go into post etiquette jeff firstly posted this topic in there
 
Could someone tell me which post this thread is referring to please?

Hi, we are referring to the posts spoodgel made in response to Graham's 'Burning feet' question. Spoodgel was seeking to warn us of the dangers of being complacent about our diabetes in a none-too-subtle manner!
 
I can't say how long anyone will live as so much depends on things like lifestyle, genetics and health.

In my family several people have lived well into their 90's and one was over 100, which would suggest it is in my personal genetic make up to live a little longer.

I think each persons life expectancy needs to be looked at on an individual basis before any predictions can be made. There are a lot of things we can do to help our selves like eating healthily and being active.
 
To me the issue isn't lifespan, it's quality of life. i'd be quite happy to except a shorter lifespan if that time didn't include the terrible complications. I think it's really difficult to tell as diabetes knowledge and treatments have come on so far in recent years, that it will always be changing.

There is no doubt that keeping the best possible control that you can manage gives you the best chance of avoiding complications. Some of the risk is down to genetics, like everyone knows someone who smoked 40 a day until they were 98 and never had a problem. There are some people who seem to get away with not controlling their diabetes and others who do a good job and end up getting complications.

Another thing for me is that however my current blood sugar is going to affect me in the future, whats as important if not more so is how it feels at the time. I know I don't feel good if my blood sugar is below 4 or above 12, so that is motivation enough to keep them within those levels, so that day to day I feel ok.
 
Spoogels posts have certainly given me a wake up call! i will try harder to lose weight and get my bloods down, i was starting to get complacent and now i'm scared silly.
I need to know the truth and i need people to stop ***** footing round me and give me some honest answers, anyone know the TRUE life expectancy of a type 2 with poor (so far) control? 😱

Dear ukjeff,

It's a little like "how long is a piece of string!" I can't be certain but I think I read somewhere that we live, on average, between 5 and 10 years less.

Warmest Regards Dodger
 
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Hi Jeff,

I dont think there can be a "life expectancy" for diabetics any more because there are too many external factors. Treatment and a lot of effort on our part can avoid getting the complications which would have been inevitable a few years ago and therfore capped life expectancy.

Now your lifestyle, family history, other medical compliactions and of course you personal control of your own condition will all effect each of us individually. In my opinion it would be impossible to do any form of comparison.

Try not to get to bogged down by statistics like that. The simple thing is the better your control the longer you will live without any diabetes complications, and the better you'll feel 🙂
 
Sorry, haven't got time to research further just now (at work), but thre is a concept of QALYs in health economics - Quality Adjusted Life Years, which emphasises good quality life years, not just total years of life. Might be worth someone googling, or I'll try if I have time tonight. Long commute driving through the Fens in each direction today, saw sunrise on the way here!
 
I'm glad you've decided to make steps in gaining better control and losing the weight 🙂
 
I have a feeling that Spoodgel would be 'pleased' to know that any comments of his have spurred you into action (I believe that was his intention), so good on ya, Jeff, and good luck.

xx
 
Long commute driving through the Fens in each direction today, saw sunrise on the way here!

Might have to slap my own wrists for going off topic but I was going through the Fens on a train early this morning, the sunrise was absolutely beautiful!

Sorry, back to the thread topic!
 
They do get the most amazing skies there don't they?
 
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I used to be involved in running a support group and the majority that attended were type II. Also a number of people I know have developed Type II in middle age.

Your question though has no real answer. Good control of the diabetes, weight and blood pressure do however make a definite difference. It is better though for your BMI to be somewhat above normal with good control rather than the other way. Smoking is a definite no no! Also if it was undetected for an extended period some complications may have already started on diagnosis. You also need a good consultant/DSN/GP. Unfortunately having diabetes does not exclude you from suffering from other ills. This can be a danger as some GPs tend to focus on things like blood sugars rather than you the person when you are unwell. In my twenties I was rushed to hospital with severe vomiting that lead to internal bleeding. I suffered two days of being told off for overeating and drinking. It then turned out that I has salmonella food poisoning from a buffet that I had attended. No apology was forthcoming!

A school friend?s mother was diagnosed some 30 years ago after suffering a mild heart attack. Although in her eighties she is still fit and active, and holds a driving licence. A friend though died a few years after diagnosis having gone up to 23 stone! So a combination of good control, a degree of luck and the right genes could see you live to a ripe old age.
 
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