The proof you DON'T have to be overweight to get type 2 diabetes

[Amity Island]

I think the title says a lot....

The proof you DON'T have to be overweight to get diabetes

www.mailplus.co.uk

 

[Steve711]

According to Professor Roy Taylor that developed the Newcastle diet to reverse diabetes its to do with someone's personal fat threshold. He suggests we look at our weight in our early twenties and compare with now.
He gives examples of slim people who get type 2 but after loosing weight the high blood sugars disappear.

 

[pm133]

I think the title says a lot....

The proof you DON'T have to be overweight to get diabetes

www.mailplus.co.uk

I think the following quote from the consultant in that article is important to bear in mind though.

"However, around five per cent of people with type 2 diabetes are a healthy weight."

So 95% are not a healthy weight. Yes it's possible to get it without being overweight but overwhelmingly it seems to be something which comes with being overweight and that probably is the key message.

 

[trophywench]

..... and is precisely why the mentality of an awful lot of the public 'fat shame' T2s - like Steve Redgrave was a fat slob ...... oh not him, of course, just everyone else ....

 

[pm133]

..... and is precisely why the mentality of an awful lot of the public 'fat shame' T2s - like Steve Redgrave was a fat slob ...... oh not him, of course, just everyone else ....

Regardless of why people get type 2 - fat shaming isn't called for under any circumstances.
Acknowledging that being overweight appears to be the biggest risk in most cases is a different matter.

Maybe people who fat-shame others should spend more time looking at the flaws in their own lives.

 

[trophywench]

One of the oldest statements that exist - Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

Well most people with more than a couple of braincells probably recognise it's not actually that simple as ONLY EVER getting T2 if you're overweight - if someone says, hang on there matey ...... just reconsider what you just said! - but the snag is, how many people issue that challenge!

 

[Totalwar]

I found it also runs in family’s my mum has two of my sisters have and my cousin on my mum side has it.

 

[Steve711]

I found it also runs in family’s my mum has two of my sisters have and my cousin on my mum side has it.

I was told eating habits run in families who then pass it on generation to generation. My Dad has T2 so did my Grandad and also all my Dads brothers but don't really know.

 

[pm133]

One of the oldest statements that exist - Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

Well most people with more than a couple of braincells probably recognise it's not actually that simple as ONLY EVER getting T2 if you're overweight - if someone says, hang on there matey ...... just reconsider what you just said! - but the snag is, how many people issue that challenge!

There's no reason why anyone outside the world of diabetes should necessarily know that you could get Type 2 despite not being overweight.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there's no preventative measure to take for those already eating healthily and at a good weight so there's no need for any public information about it. Even if they did put out such information, I expect virtually all non-diabetics would simply ignore it. To the vast majority of non-diabetics, the world is full of risks, Type 2 diabetes being just another one of them that they can't do much about.

Oh and as for that first sentence?
Not one for biblical references but I've always said that the world is full of too many people with too much to say about too many other people.
Humans have always had that problem and always will.
I have a theory that it's about people projecting their own problems and difficult lives onto others.
Nothing screams "I'm an unhappy person with a miserable life" louder than someone casting judgment or pouring scorn on the life choices of others. In that context, it can be hard to be angry at someone you feel nothing but pity for.

Live and let live should be our national motto.
We should have kids recite it every morning before class.
The world would be a nicer place for it.

 

[nonethewiser]

After being on long term steroids piling on weight wife was told she was pre diabetic after bloods taken, decided to do something about it & lost 5 stone, bloods then came back normal & have remained so.

 

[Mark C]

I'm 6ft 2 and weighed under 14 stone when diagnosed. Not skinny, but what the Dr's would call a healthy BMI. I had been at that weight for a number of years.

10 months on I'm 11 & 1/2 stone and look rather bony these days but still get reactions from folk when I tell them I'm type 2. 'You don't look type two', or 'you must be a type 1'. At first I got annoyed by these presumptions that type 2s must somehow inflicted it upon themselves but now I try and educate... better than shouting at them!

 

[silentsquirrel]

Steve Redgrave has the other kind of diabetes: injecting up to 6 times a day.

"In fact he was just 35 when he came down, not with old-age diabetes (Type 2), but with the insulin-dependent variety in October 1997."

Steve Redgrave on diabetes and his hopes of Olympic glory | Sport | The Observer

www.theguardian.com

Or maybe Type 2 after all?

News & Views | Diabetes UK

www.diabetes.org.uk

 

[Robin]

Steve Redgrave has the other kind of diabetes: injecting up to 6 times a day.

"In fact he was just 35 when he came down, not with old-age diabetes (Type 2), but with the insulin-dependent variety in October 1997."

Steve Redgrave on diabetes and his hopes of Olympic glory | Sport | The Observer

www.theguardian.com

That’s interesting, most of the news reports about his diabetes say he’s Type 2, and that’s what his Wikipedia page has on it. I don’t know where the info came from originally.

 

[BlueArmy]

I think the following quote from the consultant in that article is important to bear in mind though.

"However, around five per cent of people with type 2 diabetes are a healthy weight."

So 95% are not a healthy weight. Yes it's possible to get it without being overweight but overwhelmingly it seems to be something which comes with being overweight and that probably is the key message.

Problem is, so much else in society now is politically incorrect or sensitive to laugh overweight people are seen as fair game and one of the last socially acceptable targets. Why do people think its cool to drink too much (I don’t btw, I wish our culture was more french like when it comes to booze) but eating too much deserves derision.

No one wants to be overweight- and the reasons why people are, are various and complex. Its not something to shame, laugh or worse for the NHS to withhold life changing surgery such as removing prolapsed disc because of.

 

[pm133]

Problem is, so much else in society now is politically incorrect or sensitive to laugh overweight people are seen as fair game and one of the last socially acceptable targets. Why do people think its cool to drink too much (I don’t btw, I wish our culture was more french like when it comes to booze) but eating too much deserves derision.

No one wants to be overweight- and the reasons why people are, are various and complex. Its not something to shame, laugh or worse for the NHS to withhold life changing surgery such as removing prolapsed disc because of.

You raise an interesting point there.

I have to say that people can be far too precious and sensitive sometimes.
I see a very clear difference between taking the **** out of each other to get a bit of a laugh and jokes designed primarily not for shared humour at our human weaknesses and differences, but specifically to humiliate or degrade.

I absolutely loathe political correctness because it seems to deliberately fail to distinguish between those two things but a support forum where a large number are going to be struggling with their weight mentally as well as physically is probably not the best place to have that nuanced discussion though so I'll leave it at that unless others want to chip in.

I agree with your point on alcohol. I have always thought we have a terrible relationship with food and drink. You can add personal debt and obsessive materialism in with that as well. It's symptomatic of something deeper in our culture which is making millions of people feel unhappy and unfulfilled.

 

[silentsquirrel]

Perhaps.

“I thought I had type 1 but then I attended a conference of diabetes specialists in Austria in 2003 and one of them said I had type 2. I came back and spoke to my own diabetes specialist and he said, ‘What difference does it make?’ and he was right. The key is to control it, regardless of type.”

Sir Steve Redgrave's winning ways with Type 2 diabetes

Whatever type of diabetes you have, knowledge and personally- tailored treatment is key to living a full life, says Olympic rowing champion Sir Steve Redgrave.

www.healthawareness.co.uk

Due to his age, shape, and level of fitness at diagnosis I think the safest bet would have been Type 1.
In 2006, Steve, changed from daily injections to the pump. Certainly not a typical presentation nor treatment for a type 2 in the UK.

Hardly a typical individual in any way at all!

But as a Vice President of Diabetes UK he clearly identifies as Type 2.