The link between Vitamin D and diabetes

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@Jenny65 - I think you'd be better giving a clue as to why particularly this video might be interesting to them! I for one don't bother watching things unless I recognise something about what I see in front of me, and I don't. We all surely already realise we're likely to be a bit short of vitamin D in the winter at the very least because we live in the northern hemisphere - and without enough of it all sorts of bits of us eg bones can suffer and healing in general.
 
After a while realised I had seen him presenting something on Covid a few years ago. He works up from the end of this phrase to the start and then the middle "Lies, damp lies and statistics"!
 
Started watching something on YouTube about losing weight yesterday but gave up after 15 minutes. The guy was saying nothing new but was over verbalising as Yanks do. I imagine he could make a small brochure into a volume bigger than War and Peace! 🙂
 
Dr John Campbell is something of a controversial figure (both on the forum and elsewhere), whose videos around covid appeared to become increasingly popular at the same time that some were found to be spreading misinformation.

John Campbell (YouTuber) - Wikipedia

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YouTuber misinterprets Covid-19 vaccine evidence on children from Singapore - Full Fact

Dr John Campbell claims that new evidence shows more children “suffered a severe reaction to vaccine” than required oxygen therapy for Covid-19. But this is incorrect, and the comparison is flawed.
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It seems a degree of caution about any assertions made in his videos is wise?
 
trophywench said:
@Jenny65 - I think you'd be better giving a clue as to why particularly this video might be interesting to them! I for one don't bother watching things unless I recognise something about what I see in front of me, and I don't. We all surely already realise we're likely to be a bit short of vitamin D in the winter at the very least because we live in the northern hemisphere - and without enough of it all sorts of bits of us eg bones can suffer and healing in general.
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Thanks for posting this short video about the benefits of taking Vitamin D 3 in tablet form to reduce the risk of developing diabetes. My GP has been explaining the benefits for years of taking 1,000 iu daily and it's cheap to buy or get on prescription. I like Healthspan as quality of supplements can vary, they have half price sales and the boxes are delivered by post.
It's not always easy to get a daily walk in the sunlight if you have chronic pain or arthritis so opening the curtains and sitting by the window or in the garden is a good alternative.
 
Hi @Specs I know a lot of people dont agree with Dr Campbell, but in Lockdown he became a familiar and reassuring face to see each day while I felt isolated from everyone, home alone. I found this video interesting and vitamin D is something I know we need more of but didnt realise the associated benefits linked with diabetes too. x
 
Jenny65 said:
Hi @Specs I know a lot of people dont agree with Dr Campbell, but in Lockdown he became a familiar and reassuring face to see each day while I felt isolated from everyone, home alone. I found this video interesting and vitamin D is something I know we need more of but didnt realise the associated benefits linked with diabetes too. x
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He started fine, but seems to have fallen for things that get video views (which get him money). And I suspect he genuinely was taken by the BiRD people (who promote Ivermectin for COVID-19) and continues to imply that it works.

Vitamin D is something that's been promoted for quite a variety of things, but as far as I can tell it's bad to be deficient in vitamin D and in countries like ours that means most (if not all) of us should be taking a supplement at least in the winter. But beyond that the evidence is much, much weaker. It's not likely to help a whole lot for COVID-19, specifically (but we have really good vaccines).
 
Bruce Stephens said:
He started fine, but seems to have fallen for things that get video views (which get him money). And I suspect he genuinely was taken by the BiRD people (who promote Ivermectin for COVID-19) and continues to imply that it works.

Vitamin D is something that's been promoted for quite a variety of things, but as far as I can tell it's bad to be deficient in vitamin D and in countries like ours that means most (if not all) of us should be taking a supplement at least in the winter. But beyond that the evidence is much, much weaker. It's not likely to help a whole lot for COVID-19, specifically (but we have really good vaccines).
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The huge US govt funded VITAL trial concluded that Vit D supplementation is useless for just about everything ....

 
Eddy Edson said:
The huge US govt funded VITAL trial concluded that Vit D supplementation is useless for just about everything ....

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I followed this link and looked at the articles ... The US context is significantly different from the UK context, for two reasons:

1) The whole of the US, even the most northern parts (except Alaska!), is further south than the UK. (Most people don't realise this.)

2) In the US, milk and other dairy products and flour and cereals are routinely supplemented with vitamin D.

Put the two together, and people in the US are likely to get enough sunlight for their bodies to manufacture enough vit D, and, if not, they are likely to get what they need from supplements in common foods.

In the UK, we get less and weaker sunlight, and milk etc do not have vitamin D added. So, for us, there's a much greater risk of being genuinely deficient in vitamin D, and taking supplements is recommended: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/ .
 
Not heard anything before about this Dr, but if he is covid denier & anti vaccine then he is a fruitcake.

Can't see harm in supplementing with Vit D, we don't get enough sunlight throughout year so do think it needs to be topped up.
 
nonethewiser said:
Not heard anything before about this Dr, but if he is covid denier & anti vaccine then he is a fruitcake.

Can't see harm in supplementing with Vit D, we don't get enough sunlight throughout year so do think it needs to be topped up.
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It depends on what you mean by "Doctor".
Admittedly he was trained as a nurse, but he is a doctor by a PhD for developing methods of teaching via digital media such as online videos, and is now devoted to running his youtube channel.
 
travellor said:
It depends on what you mean by "Doctor".
Admittedly he was trained as a nurse, but he is a doctor by a PhD for developing methods of teaching via digital media such as online videos, and is now devoted to running his youtube channel.
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Ah well Nurse would be Dr then.
 
I've got an appontment tomorrow with a consultant who I trust with my gastric problems. He is now a professor. If he sent along a nurse to do the consultation I would be shocked.

Nurses are unable to prescribe medication, and aren't educated to do so. I wouldn't take advice on any of my conditions from a nurse, apart from advice on how to get dressed.

Anyone who thinks John Campbell is an authority on anything is a fool.
 
mikeyB said:
I've got an appontment tomorrow with a consultant who I trust with my gastric problems. He is now a professor. If he sent along a nurse to do the consultation I would be shocked.

Nurses are unable to prescribe medication, and aren't educated to do so. I wouldn't take advice on any of my conditions from a nurse, apart from advice on how to get dressed.
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Actually many nurses are able to prescribe medication, either from the Nurse Prescribing Formulary or from a wider range if they are Advanced Nurse Practitioners who have done further prescribing training in their area of speciality.

And nurses on a ward who have been there for many years often know much more about the medications usually used in their specialty than the junior doctors, especially first year house officers, and will advise them regarding prescriptions that haven't been specifically ordered by the consultant. Sensible house officers will listen to the experienced nurses.
 
Spathiphyllum said:
I followed this link and looked at the articles ... The US context is significantly different from the UK context, for two reasons:

1) The whole of the US, even the most northern parts (except Alaska!), is further south than the UK. (Most people don't realise this.)

2) In the US, milk and other dairy products and flour and cereals are routinely supplemented with vitamin D.

Put the two together, and people in the US are likely to get enough sunlight for their bodies to manufacture enough vit D, and, if not, they are likely to get what they need from supplements in common foods.

In the UK, we get less and weaker sunlight, and milk etc do not have vitamin D added. So, for us, there's a much greater risk of being genuinely deficient in vitamin D, and taking supplements is recommended: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/ .
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The assertion arising from the VITAL studies is that Vit D deficiency just isn't a clinical thing, regardless of serum levels, except in very limited circumstances & maybe not even then. Right or wrong, I don't think these regional differences are relevant to the assertion.

I do wonder how the human race managed to cope before supplements were invented, if they are necessary in cloudy regions. Did everybody without access to lots of fish just have ricketts or chronic bone disease or whatever else supplementation is supposed to fix?
 
We used to have a lot of rickets in the UK, yes. Also people got more sun in the summer because there wasn't the awareness of skin cancer risk from too much sun exposure
 
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