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The anti-establishment is failing people!

For those of us lucky enough to have no other complications, I'd say losing sufficient weight and keeping it off by any sensible means will enable us to stay in remission for years.

Quoting averages in studies like these is all very well. What really matters is what those who succeeded and failed did, and did not do.
 
JITR said:
What really matters is what those who succeeded and failed did, and did not do.o
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I disagree. Of course, success leaves clues, and modelling behaviour from those who are succeeding is a good idea. But none of that will make up for not wanting to do something in the first place.
And evidently, the people who dropped off last had enough knowledge and awareness to have been successful for the first four years.
 
As Gil says, yet another demonstration that most diets don't work over more than the shortest timeframes for most people. And anecdotes are pretty much worthless as a clue to whether something will work for you. That's true even if the message is "this is something that works for many people" (eg, the Freshwell type messaging), because it generally results just from the collected anecdotes of minorities for whom something was successful ading their voices together.

Keto - fine. Low fat - fine. Mediterranean/DASH/UK guideliens - fine. Youc an eat healthily with any of these patterns; none is particularly better than the others; for many people, in the current environment, it's just not possible to stick to any of them.

(Gil really is a rare Internet treasure.)
 
Eddy Edson said:
As Gil says, yet another demonstration that most diets don't work over more than the shortest timeframes for most people. And anecdotes are pretty much worthless as a clue to whether something will work for you. That's true even if the message is "this is something that works for many people" (eg, the Freshwell type messaging), because it generally results just from the collected anecdotes of minorities for whom something was successful ading their voices together.

Keto - fine. Low fat - fine. Mediterranean/DASH/UK guideliens - fine. Youc an eat healthily with any of these patterns; none is particularly better than the others; for many people, in the current environment, it's just not possible to stick to any of them.

(Gil really is a rare Internet treasure.)
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Exactly! The data, along with countless anecdotes, verify that all diets will work for a certain proportion of people. Unfortunately, the current prevailing voices and rhetoric flies contrary to this truth. A tremendous disservice has been done and continues to be done to countless thousands of people due to ignorance and/or profit.

And yes, Gil is one of a handful (or two) of people involved in the more popular side of the current nutrition movement who has the integrity (scientific or otherwise) and epistemic standards to be worth listening to.
 
beating_my_betes said:
Exactly! The data, along with countless anecdotes, verify that all diets will work for a certain proportion of people. Unfortunately, the current prevailing voices and rhetoric flies contrary to this truth.A tremendous disservice has been done and continues to be done to countless thousands of people due to ignorance and/or profit.
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@beating_my_betes,

An exploratory question. How do you think we/they can we redress this disservice?
 
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JITR said:
@beating_my_betes,

An exploratory question. How do you think we/they can we redress this disservice?
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The simple answer would be (Re)education for doctors, with the intention of facilitating (somewhat) patient-led plans.

Unfortunately there are so many obstacles to this as to make such a top-down approach nigh on impossible. A bottom-up approach would perhaps have a slight possibility, but my experience, and that of many others, suggests that to be a Sisyphean and Brandolini-induced nightmare.
 
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