Sourdough bread

[Leadinglights]

Thank you for replying, and thank you for referring back to the possibility of me being a late-onset Type 1. I asked my doctor about this when reviewing my last eye exam (got retinopathy) and she said getting T1 at this stage (I'm 65) was unlikely but that she'd think about it! I've only been diabetic for a couple of years. It's all still rather a mystery to me but honestly the help and support on this forum is better than anything I've found elsewhere.
Apart from being now very underweight and horribly boney which I suppose doesn't really trouble me as much as my family (just don't look in the mirror!), my day to day issues are chronic early morning migraines 15 days a month and massive tiredness. And I don't want to make my own bread. Tbh food is now just a boring hurdle to be got over. It's no longer a question of what would I like to eat but what CAN I eat that ticks the right boxes. I'm a practical person and I just want to be told the right formula to keep everything on track. (I know there isn't a simple answer though!)

If you read the stories of people's diagnosis of Type 1 then you will soon realise that people are being diagnosed at much older ages than you so that is still a possibility for you, I would press your nurse to reconsider and ask for the tests C-peptide and GAD antibodies.
A friend in her 70ies has just had her diagnosis confirmed as Type 1 after 2 years of weight loss so now has the appropriate insulin regime.

 

[Pookie]

If you read the stories of people's diagnosis of Type 1 then you will soon realise that people are being diagnosed at much older ages than you so that is still a possibility for you, I would press your nurse to reconsider and ask for the tests C-peptide and GAD antibodies.
A friend in her 70ies has just had her diagnosis confirmed as Type 1 after 2 years of weight loss so now has the appropriate insulin regime.

Thank you for saying this. I will press for the tests...

 

[Inka]

Thank you for replying, and thank you for referring back to the possibility of me being a late-onset Type 1. I asked my doctor about this when reviewing my last eye exam (got retinopathy) and she said getting T1 at this stage (I'm 65) was unlikely but that she'd think about it! I've only been diabetic for a couple of years. It's all still rather a mystery to me but honestly the help and support on this forum is better than anything I've found elsewhere.
Apart from being now very underweight and horribly boney which I suppose doesn't really trouble me as much as my family (just don't look in the mirror!), my day to day issues are chronic early morning migraines 15 days a month and massive tiredness. And I don't want to make my own bread. Tbh food is now just a boring hurdle to be got over. It's no longer a question of what would I like to eat but what CAN I eat that ticks the right boxes. I'm a practical person and I just want to be told the right formula to keep everything on track. (I know there isn't a simple answer though!)

The oldest person diagnosed with Type 1 was in their 90s! Moreover, there are lots of Type 1s here who were diagnosed later in life - in their 50s or 60s or older.

Type 1 used to be thought of as a childhood condition but we now realise that it’s a condition of adulthood too. More people are diagnosed as adults than as children in fact. Whether you’re Type 1 or not can be determined by two blood tests (Type 1 antibodies and C Peptide) and expert input. I can’t understand how your GP thinks your low BMI is ok. You need to be able to eat enough.

Whether you’re Type 1, or a Type 2 whose insulin-producing cells have failed, then there are meds to support you being able to eat and control your blood sugar too. In your position, I’d ask for a referral to a consultant and I’d explicitly ask your GP about your weight and your concerns. Whether you’re Type 1 or Type 2, insulin would help you be able to eat enough.

Sometimes we really have to push a bit to get the care we need. Don’t be afraid to be a little more pushy x

 

[rebrascora]

The oldest person diagnosed with Type 1 was in their 90s! Moreover, there are lots of Type 1s here who were diagnosed later in life - in their 50s or 60s or older.

Type 1 used to be thought of as a childhood condition but we now realise that it’s a condition of adulthood too. More people are diagnosed as adults than as children in fact. Whether you’re Type 1 or not can be determined by two blood tests (Type 1 antibodies and C Peptide) and expert input. I can’t understand how your GP thinks your low BMI is ok. You need to be able to eat enough.

Whether you’re Type 1, or a Type 2 whose insulin-producing cells have failed, then there are meds to support you being able to eat and control your blood sugar too. In your position, I’d ask for a referral to a consultant and I’d explicitly ask your GP about your weight and your concerns. Whether you’re Type 1 or Type 2, insulin would help you be able to eat enough.

Sometimes we really have to push a bit to get the care we need. Don’t be afraid to be a little more pushy x

This is a scenario where I really think that following a low carb way of eating can jeopardize the correct diagnosis. You are eating an unsustainably low carb diet to try to manage your levelswhen eating a normal sensible diet would likely push your levels so high that they would have to take notice or you might land yourself in hopsital, which of course no-one wants to do, but would likely get you the correct diagnosis.

@Pookie In my opinion, you should get yourself some Ketostix so that you can test your urine for ketones if (when) your levels go persistently above mid teens and then start eating a normal diet following the "Eatwell plate" ie. following the NHS guidance. Keep a food diary and a log of your BG levels and test regularly. Once your levels get up to mid teens persistently, then dip your using for ketones. If your BG levels get to 30 or your ketone reading is greater than 1 contact 111 or get yourself to A&E. You are doing nothing wrong in doing this....It is not like you are going out of your way to eat loads of cake and chocolate but restricting your diet so severely that you are starving yourself in order to keep your levels a bit lower is what they needed to do hundreds of years ago to avoid death, not what you should be having to do now.

I am a proponent of low carb but in this situation it is significantly hampering your proper diagnosis and appropriate treatment. If you like, then tell your doctor what you propose to do in advance, so that they have the opportunity to reassess the situation before you start but you could well be damaging other organs by effectively starving yourself because your health care professionals are unable to think outside their very limited experience and look at you as an individual.
Sorry for the rant, but your situation needs resolving and sadly many HCPs have no idea of the power of low carb and the will power of some people to follow it and as a result it masks the real situation. If you were overweight it would be another matter altogether but you are underweight and by the sound of it approaching emaciated, so please abandon trying to manage your BG levels through diet, but do continue to monitor closely and seek urgent medical attention when your body reaches crisis point..... and please keep us informed of how you are getting on.

 

[Nayshiftin]

https://forum.diabetes.org.uk/boards/threads/low-carb-english-muffin.65930/

well. i made this for breakfast. Could not eat more than half i was full. So yes i stopped. Perhaps i was not hungry enough but i gave the other half and he said he enjoyed it.
I think it will work more for lunch or maybe a base for pizza .
i do like fathead but maybe was hungrier.
This has amazed me.
Dinner is also difficult to get through i am going to reduce portion size as it is a lot more than id ever eat.

 

[Kernow-Debra]

Excellent, yes it’s filling. I sometimes have for main meal, toasted filled with ham and cheese with a fried egg on top.

 

[PattiEvans]

I'm now trying to get hold of the LivLife bread mentioned on this thread because I do like a slice of b&b with cheese or soup. Are there any other breads I haven't thought of that might be as good?

Don't bother unless you are fond of cardboard. It's awful stuff.

Go ahead as Inka and @rebrascora have suggested. Ask the GP for a referral to a specialist. I was 57 when I was diagnosed, initially wrongly as T2, but finally got the tests and I was T1.

 

[Annette&Bert]

I only eat ordinary bread, brown or sourdough, wholegrain etc., but that said all bread is kept in the freezer, so I only have two slices once a week for breakfast, but it could even be two weeks before I do it again.

 

[Cool Cat]

I bake my own sourdough and have done for over 3 years.


The clue is in the ingredients: Wheat Flour (Wheat Flour, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Water, Rye Flour, Fermented Wheat Flour, Rapeseed Oil, Fermented Rye Flour, Salt, Yeast. I make sourdough from strong white & wholemeal rye flours, water, salt & starter. The starter is organic white bread flour & water.

Of course my white flour contains the normal additives, but there is most certainly no yeast beyond the natural ones in the starter in my bread.

Would you please be able to share your sourdough recipe, please?