Smoking even worse than bad

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Eddy Edson

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Smoking is even more damaging to the heart than previously thought

Smokers have weaker hearts than non-smokers, according to new research. The study found that the more people smoked, the worse their heart function became. Some function was restored when people kicked the habit.
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Smokers have weaker hearts than non-smokers,according to research presented at ESC Congress 2022. The study found that the more people smoked, the worse their heart function became. Some function was restored when people kicked the habit.

"It is well known that smoking causes blocked arteries, leading to coronary heart disease and stroke," said study author Dr. Eva Holt of Herlev and Gentofte Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark. "Our study shows that smoking also leads to thicker, weaker hearts. It means that smokers have a smaller volume of blood in the left heart chamber and less power to pump it out to the rest of the body. The more you smoke, the worse your heart function becomes. The heart can recuperate to some degree with smoking cessation, so it is never too late to quit."

As somebody who used to smoke as much as humanly possibly & loved it & therefore (no doubt) developed PAD (at least), all I can say is - Why didn't doctors make it clear they were serious when they said to stop it???

(Kidding!)
 
Whilst diabetic vs smoker amputees seemed much on a a par in the vascular ward when it came to amputee rehab smokers outnumbered diabetics (more Type II than Type I).
 
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MikeyBikey said:
Whilst diabetic vs smoker amputees seemed much on a a par in the vascar ward when it came to amputee rehab smokers outnumbered diabetics (more Type II than Type I).
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How about the "both smoker & diabetic" category? I'd guess it would be big?
 
Amity Island said:
Jokes aside, it was the doctors, the dentists and the nurses who encouraged people to smoke. Paid by the big corporations, just goes to show what people will tell you is safe and for your health (even when they know they aren't) when money is lining their pockets. On the flip side some people will believe anything they're told.

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These are the adverts that told people smoking was good for them

Bad digestion? Coughing too much? Overweight? Then have a smoke.
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I recall a family friend in the sixties saying he smoked to keep the midges away! At the time I had already had my first few crafty cigarettes! (cigarette emoji)
 
MikeyBikey said:
I recall a family friend in the sixties saying he smoked to keep the midges away! At the time I had already had my first few crafty cigarettes! (cigarette emoji)
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Is it the tar or the nicotine, I took up smoking at 50 when my 28 year marriage fell apart and left me with lots of debt, potentially homeless and my dear mum then developed ovarian cancer and alzeimers and died, not excusing smoking its just life seems awful anyway so smoking seemed minor in comparrison.

I gave up before lockdown but then in the pandemic got stressed and started smoking again, but gave up the day I was diagnosed with diabetes and cholesterol problems (1st July) and will never smoke again.

My sons both vape and thats why I ask whether the heart is damaged by the nicotine or the tar/other chemicals
 
Jenny65 said:
My sons both vape and thats why I ask whether the heart is damaged by the nicotine or the tar/other chemicals
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I looked into this when I went on the smoking=>vaping=>nothing route, and from what I could gather: the combustion products from burning tobacco etc etc are worst, but nicotine just by itself also isn't great (for arteries).
 
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Jenny65 said:
My sons both vape and thats why I ask whether the heart is damaged by the nicotine or the tar/other chemicals
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As far as I understand it it's mostly the burning stuff and breathing it in, so vaping is likely much safer. (I don't think anyone would recommend becoming addicted to nicotine.)
 
Jenny65 said:
Is it the tar or the nicotine, I took up smoking at 50 when my 28 year marriage fell apart and left me with lots of debt, potentially homeless and my dear mum then developed ovarian cancer and alzeimers and died, not excusing smoking its just life seems awful anyway so smoking seemed minor in comparrison.

I gave up before lockdown but then in the pandemic got stressed and started smoking again, but gave up the day I was diagnosed with diabetes and cholesterol problems (1st July) and will never smoke again.

My sons both vape and thats why I ask whether the heart is damaged by the nicotine or the tar/other chemicals
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I have no real idea. The issue I have with vaping is the jury is out as to whether it causes lung damage. I know someone who gave up immediately they were diagnosed with COPD but the damage was done. Some days they do not go out as they cannot face the two flights of stairs from/to their flat. In other days they sit in a wheelchair breathing oxygen. Not a good place to be!
 
Amity Island said:
I was chatting to a chap two weeks ago. He said he gave up smoking and instead vapes. Trouble is he said, vaping is so convenient and is allowed in areas where smoking isn't. The ease of vaping and the fabulous flavours means he goes to bed each night with his head buzzing from all the nicotine. Way more nicotine than he used to take via smoking. Then there is this plastic lung people talk about. The "smoke" is apparently made from some form of plastic.

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The effects of electronic cigarette vapour on the lung: direct comparison to tobacco smoke

Electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) usage in the USA has drastically increased in the past 5 years due to age restrictions on conventional cigarettes, aggressive marketing and a perception that e-cigarettes are a healthy alternative. E-cigarettes contain nicotine, water, glycerol, propylene...
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A friend who smoked up to 10 a day (less when he stayed home) took up vaping about five years ago. He went from the occasional cigarette to near continuous vaping. I compared him to a steam train. He went back to his ten a day habit when reports from the US suggested poorer outcomes for heavy vapers who contacted Covid!
 
MikeyBikey said:
This may be an urbanmyth but apparently one person who said he could not give up smoking threw his cigarettes in the waste bin when the vascular surgeon said "I might as well book you in for a double amputation then"!
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My mother was a life-long smoker, but gave up instantly when she had a clot form in her leg, which she came within an hair's breadth of losing.

Unexpectedly, and very unusually the clot dislodged itself and which her circulation was never going to be good her increasingly blackened foot went back to it's healthier looking self.
The vascular surgeon's theory was that a clot had liberated itself from a previously undiagnosed abdominal aneurism and stuck in her smoking compromised circulation, then somehow dislodged itself.

That day was a buying the lottery ticket day.

Sadly, shortly thereafter she was diagnosed with lung cancer, which was all too usually terminal at diagnosis.

Whichever way you decide is up, it's hard to get past that smoking is baaaaaad.
 
nonethewiser said:
Can't understand why anyone would smoke, health implications aside look at price of them now.
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I stopped when they went above £2 for 20 - January 9th, 1995 at 9pm 🙂 Best thing I ever did for my health (apart from injecting insulin on a daily basis since 2008 🙂 ) When I was diagnosed T1 they thought I'd had a heart attack, so they gave me an angiogram. The consultant said my arteries were in 'pristine' condition 🙂

As you say, I don't know how anyone can afford them nowadays - £10-£12 a packet last time I looked! 😱
 
Amity Island said:
I can't understand why Doctors, Nurses and Dentists promoted something they knew to be bad for health, even lethal. At least in days gone by, they at least had the integrity not to recommend them to kids.
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Menthol cigs for lung conditions like asthma, older relations were advised to smoke them from drs.

Crazy times, then we know so much more now about health risks than decades before.
 
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