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SACN report on lower carb diets for Type 2 diabetes

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Amity Island

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Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition

"The purpose of this report was to review the evidence on ‘low’ carbohydrate diets compared to current UK government advice on carbohydrate intake for adults with type 2 diabetes (T2D). It was initiated in response to a request from Public Health England (PHE), for a systematic assessment of the scientific evidence on ‘low’ carbohydrate diets, in recognition that such diets are gaining attention and are increasingly being promoted. However, since there is no agreed definition of a ‘low’ carbohydrate diet, comparisons in this report were between lower and higher carbohydrate diets."

If anyone would like to offer a summary (or an upshot) of the report findings, that would be great for anyone reading this post.

 
It seems that they can't be sure of anything as the definitions of the diets were unclear and imprecise, the groups of people in the study were not well described, particularly as to ethnicity and there was no control group of non diabetics.
The length of time covered was very short, 6 months seems to be a typical time, so no definite conclusion could be reached, and there was no data on long term complications available.

When I was eleven I went into the chemistry lab with the rest of the class and we got a short lecture on how to report our work there under the headings Experiment, Observations, Conclusions - I think I still have some of my lab books with the caustic comments from Mr Bailiffe on my lack of scientific rigour. He would have got the red Biro out for that report.
 
I looked at p89-90, and Table 6.3 which seems to suggest hat there were benefits in weight reduction and HbA1c reduction in the first 6 months, but not in the longer term, BUT, there was an overall reduction in medications in the longer term. This might suggest that people on lower carb diets are holding their own better with fewer meds in the long term.
It also seems to suggest that there were no differences in Cholesterol results between lower and higher carb, in either the short or long term.
 
It seems that they can't be sure of anything as the definitions of the diets were unclear and imprecise, the groups of people in the study were not well described, particularly as to ethnicity and there was no control group of non diabetics.
The length of time covered was very short, 6 months seems to be a typical time, so no definite conclusion could be reached, and there was no data on long term complications available.

When I was eleven I went into the chemistry lab with the rest of the class and we got a short lecture on how to report our work there under the headings Experiment, Observations, Conclusions - I think I still have some of my lab books with the caustic comments from Mr Bailiffe on my lack of scientific rigour. He would have got the red Biro out for that report.

The necessary headings are in the report and in the correct order as far as I can see,
There is no "experiment". It just looks like a report on the current state of the scientific literature. A literature review with some analysis of the findings by other research groups.

All the information you seek will be in the extensive list of references in the back of the report. You wouldn't have this sort of detail present in a literature review like this.

It's very common practice in science to do things like this where you bring together the most important findings within a particular field. For a new researcher, finding a literature review like this is like finding gold dust. It minimises the work you need to do to familiarise yourself with the state of the science field you are working in.
 
We must not forget that SACN uses various university research departments for it's data input and if you dig down you find most of this 'research' is funded by the food companies and by co-incidence carbs are their most profitable food group. Do I trust SACN's findings? No I don't.
 
We must not forget that SACN uses various university research departments for it's data input and if you dig down you find most of this 'research' is funded by the food companies and by co-incidence carbs are their most profitable food group. Do I trust SACN's findings? No I don't.
That report has only just been published, is 347 pages long and has a considerable number of literature references.
If you've managed to get through all of it and found that most of the research cited was funded by food companies then that is quite a feat.
 
Is this the modern equivalent of what used to be termed 'a Cochrane report' ?
 
That report has only just been published, is 347 pages long and has a considerable number of literature references.
If you've managed to get through all of it and found that most of the research cited was funded by food companies then that is quite a feat.
No I haven't read through this report yet but a few years back followed some threads on the updated 'Eatwell Plate' owned by SACN and discovered that it was approved, by a large majority, by food industry representatives with very little input from medics. I did my own Googling and could see that the 'research' for that was largely funded by the food industry. Do you believe that our diet needs to have reduced 'Sugar/Salt/Fat'? SACN seem unable to spot that Sugar is a Carb and all Carbs need some control.
 
No I haven't read through this report yet but a few years back followed some threads on the updated 'Eatwell Plate' owned by SACN and discovered that it was approved, by a large majority, by food industry representatives with very little input from medics. I did my own Googling and could see that the 'research' for that was largely funded by the food industry. Do you believe that our diet needs to have reduced 'Sugar/Salt/Fat'? SACN seem unable to spot that Sugar is a Carb and all Carbs need some control.

It doesn't matter who the research was approved by. What matters is who funded it and who influenced the results. You seem to have made a decision about SACN based on a bit of Google searching.
That's your prerogative but you really shouldn't be making factual announcements about the quality of this work because you haven't done the leg work to justify it.
 
A reminder to folks to treat each other with kindness, and to respect differing views and opinions.

🙂
 
I received this Q&A response from Diabetes UK today in relation to the SACN report which you may find helpful:

Douglas Twenefour, Deputy Head of Care at Diabetes UK, said:
“The role of carbohydrate foods in someone's diet – and in particular, the effect low carb diets can have in diabetes – has been debated over recent years.

“This new report gives a clear and objective review of current evidence on lower carb diets in adults with type 2 diabetes and, more importantly, how they could be used in practice. And currently, the evidence shows that these diets areeffective for people with type 2 diabetes in the short term, but no more effective than other diets longer term.

“The best advice for anyone looking to make lifestyle changes is to find a diet that works best for them and that they can stick to, and to approach any change in a safe and sustainable way.

“It is important that people considering a lower carb option do so with the support of their healthcare team, so that any impact on diabetes management or medications can be closely monitored.”

1. What is this report about?
This is the final report from the government’s Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition (SACN). The group reviewed the evidence for lower carb diets compared to current UK government advice for adults with type 2 diabetes.
The report does not apply to people with type 1 or any other type of diabetes, children or people without diabetes.

2. Who else was involved in the work
SACN’s remit is to provide advice to the UK governments on the UK general population based on its assessment of the scientific evidence. Since the Committee does not usually make recommendations relating to specific health conditionssuch as diabetes, a joint working group (WG) was put together for this work.
The joint working group included experts from SACN, Diabetes UK, the British Association of Dietitians (BDA), the Royal College of GPs (RCGP), the Association of British Clinical Diabetologists (ABCD) and the Royal College of Physicians. The group also included an adult with type 2 diabetes (nominated by Diabetes UK). NHS England, NICE, Department of Health and Social Care and government representatives from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales were also invited as observers.

3. What was Diabetes UK’s role in putting the report together?
Diabetes UK nominated two experts Douglas Twenefour, Deputy Head of Care at Diabetes UK and Prof Nita Forouhi to the working group. We also nominated a patient representative. Dougie co-chaired the working group.

4. What are the key findings from the report?
The key findings were:
• Overall, the evidence suggests beneficial effects of lower carb diets for HbA1c, fasting blood glucose and triglycerides in the shorter term (i.e. less than 12months) but these are unclear in the longer term (more than 12 months).
• No differences were observed between higher and lower carb diets on total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and HDL cholesterol either in the shorter term or longer term.
• No differences were observed between higher and lower carbohydrate diets on body weight in the longer term
• Lower carb diets led to reduction in diabetes medications.

5. What is Diabetes UK’s position on low carb?
Diabetes UK’s current position is that low-carb diets are an option for some people with type 2 diabetes. It can be safe and effective in the short term in managing weight, and can also help people with type 2 in managing their blood sugar levels, as well as reducing their risk of heart disease and stroke.
But as there’s no consistent evidence to say that a low-carb diet is better than other diets in the long term, we can’t recommend it as the only approach for everyone with diabetes. We would therefore encourage people to find a healthy diet that works best for them and can be sustained in the long term.

6. What is different in the report compared to Diabetes UK’s position on low carb diets?
In broad terms, the findings of this report are similar to Diabetes UK’s current position which is that low carb diets seem to be more effective in the short term but not in the longer term when compared to higher carb diets.
• The SACN report focused purely on adults with type 2diabetes. Our position statement includes some evidence on low carb diets for people with type 1 diabetes: ourconclusion is that although there is some published information and reported cases of people with type 1 benefiting from low carb diets, the evidence is limited so we cannot recommend it.
• children - our conclusion is that low carb diets should not be recommended to children because there is some evidence that it can negatively affect their growth

7. Does the publication of the report mean Diabetes UK’s position needs changing?
Diabetes UK will make a decision on our position based on the final report including the recommendations.

8. What does this mean to people who want to follow a low carb diet?
For people with type 2 diabetes, we are still saying low carb diets are an option, and we encourage people to speak to their healthcare team so that they can receive the support they need to follow this diet safely and effectively. This support may include reviewing their medications and checking their blood glucose levels more regularly.
As there is a lack of strong evidence on safety and effectiveness regarding low carb diets for adults with type 1 diabetes, we cannot recommend it. However, we know that some people with type 1 have benefited from following a low carb diet. We would want healthcare professionals to support those who still want to follow this diet by referring them to a dietitian and helping them manage their insulin to minimise the risk of hypos.

9. What info do we have on low carb diets?
We have meal plans to help people follow a low carb diet https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/enjoy-food/eating-with-diabetes/meal-plans-/low-carb
Our position statement is found here https://www.diabetes.org.uk/resources-s3/2017-09/low-carb-diets-position-statement-May-2017.pdf
Our dietary advice explained
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-t...ietary-advice-explained/your-queries-answered
 
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