Restricted eating 8/12 and carbs

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Robval

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If you are having two meals in your 8 hour period and one is going to be a high carb one and the other one low carb is it better to have the low carb one first and the higher carb at end of the 8 hours so you are not so hungry? Does it make a difference to your fat burning mode if you do high carb meal first and low carb before fasting period. Obviously the lower carb meal last might not sustain you as long but might it start fat burning quicker?
 
Robval said:
If you are having two meals in your 8 hour period and one is going to be a high carb one and the other one low carb is it better to have the low carb one first and the higher carb at end of the 8 hours so you are not so hungry? Does it make a difference to your fat burning mode if you do high carb meal first and low carb before fasting period. Obviously the lower carb meal last might not sustain you as long but might it start fat burning quicker?
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Fat loss/gain has absolutely nothing to do with carbs. The only thing to keep an eye on is the difference between energy taken in versus energy utilised.
 
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But its the carbs which make you hungry - or at least, they make me hungry.
I used to eat at 12 hourly intervals 10gm of carbs with the first meal of the day, then the rest in the evening, but that was no more than 30gm. That kept my blood glucose levels fairly normal and I had HbA1c in the low 40s for years. However - testing the response to meals is a good idea, as I had more insulin resistance in the mornings but others report more in the evenings.
I might have felt hungry after the second meal - but I would most likely be asleep by then.
The concept of calories in a biological system seems flawed, as I lost weight easily eating more calories, but low carb, than when doing low fat and very low calorie diets.
 
I have always felt it better to have the carbs I have fairly evenly divided between the meals rather than a low carb or High carb because if that high carb meal increases blood glucose more than 2-3mmol/l then that is when you have excess glucose floating about for longer that is ideal.
I tend to keep to 15-20g for breakfast and lunch and then 25-30 g for dinner and the remainder of my 70-80g is drinks etc.
That then keeps my 2 hour post meal level to below 8mmol/l.
It is something you would need to test for yourself.
 
s'nic said:
One of the key things for time restricted eating is autophagy kicking in approx 12 hours after you finish eating your last food for the day.

Here are two papers from this year which go into some detail and help explain mechanics more
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220110-the-benefits-of-intermittent-fasting-the-right-way (march 2024)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11338815 - Time-restricted eating, the clock ticking behind the scenes (aug 2024)
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As far as I'm aware, autophagy is always happening as part of the body's general detox, recycling and cleaning process. Fasting can up-regulate it, but so can exercise...and energy-restriction.
 
s'nic said:
One of the key things for time restricted eating is autophagy kicking in approx 12 hours after you finish eating your last food for the day.

Here are two papers from this year which go into some detail and help explain mechanics more
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220110-the-benefits-of-intermittent-fasting-the-right-way (march 2024)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11338815 - Time-restricted eating, the clock ticking behind the scenes (aug 2024)
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Thank you, I hadn’t heard of autophagy before. Found th3 above articles very interesting.
 
Actually I'm going to need to kick 16/8 and weight loss atm due to my specific health issues. But will probably return to it further down the line.
 
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