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Pumps and which one

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Adrienne

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Hi

I am told by Bev that Tracey is looking to choose a pump but blowed if I can find where so thought I would start a new thread.

Tracey if you want any help, I'll do my best, I know quite a bit about pumps and who to talk to and the differences etc. I will be totally biased of course as I believe my daughter uses the best pump in the world (only joking about the being biased bit of course 😉)

Let me know what you want to know or if you just want me to ramble on in a messages the pros and cons of the pumps, let me know that and I'll be happy to ramble (good at that!)
 
Hi I have a few bits of info, pump comparison charts etc that my friend on a pump did for me. Unfortunately my clinic only have a contract with Medtronic (which I know is a great pump) but my mate got his cool, animas waterproof and choice of colour pump, with a colour screen! "Colour" features win with me!!!

If you want to msg me your email I can forward them on.
 
Adrienne,
Traceys question is under the 'lurkers' post! I think its on page 8. :D Bev
 
thanks guys!🙂

Any info on which you think is best and why would be appreciated. I was given a brochure for accu check, but was told i will be able to choose my own, when the time comes. dont know how long it will take.

I gree the animas looks cool etc, very tempting and im sure a great pump, waterproof sounds great, but to be honest sure i would disconnect for showering etc, but would be great if i wanted to swim!

the medtronic doesnt look as cool but sounds good and i really like the idea that you can get a wireless cgm for it. do you know if that would be provided on nhs? I know you still have to finger prick before making any adjustments, but love the ideaa of knowing approx readings, if going hi or low as my bs swing rapidly in both directions! eg, today was 13.1 2 and half hours after eating, within another hour i was 6.2 but was not doing anything energetic!:confused:

any info at all much appreciated at this stage.
 
Hi there

I can only speak of my experience with my clinic, but we only have the choice of this pump, the minmed http://www.minimed.com/products/insulinpumps/ this has CGM. As a patient I am not allowed the CGM unless I make the purchase myself and use without the support of the DSN (no thanks!). The clinic do not support the CGM with this pump at present due to the difficult management of the BG delay. They do not endorse it or have current management guidelines for it. They believe the technology is there, just not as advanced yet as it will be in 2-3 years time. This opinion may vary where ever you attend.

I find this particually usefull http://www.medtronic-diabetes.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions.html

I sound like a child with a new toy talking colours etc, but even I can manage to say it through gritted teeth, the medtronic looks dull but can be personalised with skins and accessries etc so consider carefully. I have to say, it is FANTASTIC to hear that some have the choice!
 
thanks guys!🙂

Any info on which you think is best and why would be appreciated. I was given a brochure for accu check, but was told i will be able to choose my own, when the time comes. dont know how long it will take.

I gree the animas looks cool etc, very tempting and im sure a great pump, waterproof sounds great, but to be honest sure i would disconnect for showering etc, but would be great if i wanted to swim!

the medtronic doesnt look as cool but sounds good and i really like the idea that you can get a wireless cgm for it. do you know if that would be provided on nhs? I know you still have to finger prick before making any adjustments, but love the ideaa of knowing approx readings, if going hi or low as my bs swing rapidly in both directions! eg, today was 13.1 2 and half hours after eating, within another hour i was 6.2 but was not doing anything energetic!:confused:

any info at all much appreciated at this stage.

Hi Tracey

Obviously I can only say this from a child using these pumps. A very good friend of mine, her child is on the latest Animas. I have another big group of friends on the Medtronic Paradigm 522/722 Realtime pump (ie the CGMS attached). I also did training in a school the other week for another friend whose son is going on an Animas in a few weeks time so I had a look and worked my way around the menus which are not that different from the Medtronic ones, so have some knowledge about that.

There are slight differences.



On the Animas the basal rate increments can be tiny. ie if your insulin requirement is minute you can set the basal levels to something silly like 0.025 per hour. I wouldn't imagine this would bother you as you are an adult so wouldn't need tiny amounts like this.

There are lots of colours for the Animas but only about 5 for the Medtronic but you can get skins, Jessica has a particularly psychadelic skin on her pump at the moment, she had a jelly bean one the other month.

The screen is big. Personally from looking at the screen I still find the Medtronic easier to see and clearer to use. The best way for me to describe it, the Medtronic is clearer than the Animas which I find messy. However you like what you are used to so be aware that I am used to the medtronic and it is a very clear easy screen to use.

Both have backlights.

The Animas is waterproof. If you are a swimmer and do that a lot this is the pump for you. You will not want to take it off a lot. But if you only swim every so often or on holiday then its fine to take it off. You should only take it off for an hour at a time and some people need to bolus the missed basal. My daughter never has but no-one else has had a problem with it.


I did find out one thing with the Animas I do not like at all and had to phone my friend who knows about Animas to confirm I was correct because I didn't like it. On the pumps is a wizard, like on a computer. You use the wizard to calculate and give a bolus ie food bolus or correction bolus.

On the Medtronic it is called the Bolus wizard on the Animas it is called the Ezcarb. I went through the Animas ezcarb to see if it was the same principle as the Medtronic and found at the very end point it was different.

On both pumps you put in the finger reading, then you put in the carbs you have eaten. You press ok or act (depending on pump). With the Medtronic you get each stage on a 'new' screen so it is large and you cannot be confused. With the Animas it is all on the same screen and you work down the list - I believe you could potentially get confused as you are looking at lots of info. At the very end on the Medtronic the pump will have worked out insulin needed (taken into account IOB insulin on board and will show you the amount of IOB) and end up with a screen with a flashing number ie 1.3 (units of insulin). If you agree this press act and it confirms and you press act and it delivers. If for whatever reason you want to override it, this is the screen to do that but it does flash what it wants to give you.

With the Animas in the same size letters as everything else there is a number it wants to give ie 1.3, on the next to bottom line. Below that is large 0.00 If you agree the 1.3 then you have to phsyically input 1.3 and press ok. There is the potential to get this wrong ie you just press ok and nothing is given at all.

This is the bit that worried me. Now bear in mind I am talking about an 8 year old working this with TA's at school supervising and making sure he gets it right but who can guarantee they get it right etc etc.

Ok now we move on to the CGMS

WOW WOW WOW, I cannot live without the sensors and if my daughter does not have them on overnight then she sleeps in with me. When I say sensors, this is the bit that goes in the skin. The canula is the part where the tubing is connected to the pump for insulin. The sensor is inserted somewhere else on the body and has a small radio transmitter attached to it.

The PCT have to fund the pump consumables ie the canulas, reservoirs etc if a consulant says a person needs a pump. No arguing, they have to agree. However sensors are a different issue. Yes they are funded by the NHS. They have come down in cost dramatically over the last couple of years. My daughter is funded full time for sensors. What lots of consultants do is ask for funding for sensors for two a month to begin with. This is generally okayed. Once you have then proved the sensors work well for you, go for more.

Sensors are not magic and they hurt going in. I won't lie. The cannula for the pump does not hurt by the way. The sensor is a bit thicker but it only hurts for seconds.

They work differently for different people (again I am only talking children here by the way). I have one friend who knows that the sensor reading is exactly 17 minutes behind a finger prick most of the time. So that means for him, less finger tests but hypos are caught before they happen as are hypers. His HbA1c is 5.6% which is astonishing. Normally is you get one that low it is due to too many hypos but for this lad it's not. There is a lot of hard work by the parents to get it at this figure.

My daughter's HbA1c came down from the 9.0's to 7.6 within months, it is hard work. However she is back up to 8.3 at the moment as we had a hiccup last year and are only slowly getting back on track now. I'm hoping the next one will be 8.0 or under.

For my daughter the sensor works uniquely. There is a pattern but I cannot rely on the sensor reading at all and always have to do finger pricks. However where it comes into its own for my daughter and me is nighttime. From midnight to morning the sensor is pretty much on a level with the finger pricks so I don't have to do finger pricks in my sleepy state, I just look at the sensor data on the pump screen and can gauge what is going on from that. That is a real bonus for me.

I'm sure I have loads more I can tell you but information overload springs to mind.

Ask any questions you want and I hope I have helped.

Personally I would say Medtronic every time but we are used to it and find it very very easy to use. However the biggest pull is the sensors without a doubt. They are absolutely fantastic and worth it.

However talk to my friend with the Animas and she will praise that to the hilt as well so I hope I have been fair with both. 😛
 
Hi there

As a patient I am not allowed the CGM unless I make the purchase myself and use without the support of the DSN (no thanks!). The clinic do not support the CGM with this pump at present due to the difficult management of the BG delay. They do not endorse it or have current management guidelines for it. They believe the technology is there, just not as advanced yet as it will be in 2-3 years time. This opinion may vary where ever you attend.

Hi

That makes me sooooo cross. What utter twaddle. It is definitely not difficult management with BG delay or not. Some people don't have a delay, it is ahead !!! Let them figure that one out. I have been part of a presentation by the extremely clever chap (can't remember his name) who has designed the software for the closed loop. They are using the same sensors. They know there is an issue here with time delay but there is no real way around this at this time. If the sensor goes into the interstital blood just under the skin, then there will be a slight difference.

However you look at peoples results with a sensor and without a sensor. The evidence is very very clear, better control with a pump but even better with sensors. What hospital are you under just for info?😡
 
Any pump will do except the Spirit.
It is very basic doesn't even have an insulin on board feature.
If you know what a zx spectrum is then they are about equal in the pump world.
Animas would be my choice after the Cozmo. (Cozmo is no more) Animas you can use any infusion set you like. Medtronic only their make fits on the pump.
I found their customer service poor too.
 
Hi

I guess we all have different experiences. I find Medtronic customer services absolutely brilliant. Only one friend has had a problem with the consumables being shipped but they got that sorted very efficiently. My daughters pump broke (we took into an MRI room and the magnets broke it, any pump would have that problem) and we had a new one within 24 hours. If their customer services or helpline is shut, you ring a number and you can speak to the USA Medtronic who are also extremely helpful.

There are two different sets for the Medtronic, the silhouette which we use and it is easy and brilliant and the Quick sets which others have found very good.

When I saw the Animas set it didn't seem as easy as the Medtronic but again its all about what you are used to and my friends with the Animas have no problems at all.
 
thanks for all replies, very helpful info and am taking it all on board.

adrienne, thank you for all your info, greatly appreciated,
I think for me it would definately be either the animas or medtronic, love the idea of cgm and it does sound a bit simpler to use. Although im sure i would be fine with the animas too! I will also have to find out if my pct will allow this or not.

Im really hoping it wont be too long, my dsn was hopeful it could be soon, beginning of financial year, will have to see.

sugarbum thanks too, i have looked on the comparison websites and think they all seem good, just a matter of working out which is best for me. I will be seeing the pump nurse? at some stage to discuss options so the more info i have beforehand the better,

cheers all 🙂
 
No problem and good luck. Any pump is fabulous at the end of the day. It is such a shame it is a postcode lottery. :(
 
Hi Tracey,
Just out of interest - how long do you have to stay in hospital when it is all fitted? Although of course it may be different for children. Thanks. Bev
 
have you been told that you have to stay in for Alex? I have not been told that, im hoping when it happens i will just get fitted and off i go with dsn back up etc. Blimey hope i dont have stay in, hate hospital food 😱
 
Tracey we havent even been told we have definately got one! I am just going on what i read on the other childrens forum - some mums post news on there to tell us how things are going when a pump is fitted - and i am assuming that they are in hospital the way they phrase things? Perhaps i am wrong though - but i would have thought there is so much information to understand at the beginning that you would need lots of attention? Adrienne will tell us i am sure! Bev
 
Hi Bev

I know who you are talking about and her daughter will be the first pumper at that hospital so although the mum and daughter don't want to stay in, the hospital are insisting but I think it is for their benefit.

What normally happens and it can differ from hospital to hospital and again I am only talking about children here is that after a few appointments of discussions and seeing the pump etc you get a training date. We had our training date in mid December one Thursday. It lasted all day and we left there with my daughter having a canula in with a pump attached pumping saline. We then had the week to practice with the saline (still injecting of course). I wore the pump for a few days, my mum did the set change on me, I then did a couple of set changes on my daughter.

The next Thursday we went back to the hospital where my daughters own pump was, all brand new and purple ! and we had been told to stop the Lantus and not give it that morning but to give NR as per normal for breakfast and by lunchtime my daughter was 'live' with insulin in the pump. This training session lasted the day as well and that was it we were off.

The fabulous nurse then rang daily at 7 pm for a few weeks tweaking basals with me and ratios, Christmas arrived and the nurse was on holiday so the Prof gave me his email address, just in case, and we've not looked back ever.

My daughter changed overnight. She was a happy girl beforehand but the day she pumped and woke up the next morning she had a huge spring in her step and so many people say the same about their child.

Hope that helps, again only my experience but from all the people I know with children on pumps it is more or less the same, it is very rare you have a hospital stay.
 
Hi

That makes me sooooo cross. What utter twaddle. It is definitely not difficult management with BG delay or not. Some people don't have a delay, it is ahead !!! Let them figure that one out. I have been part of a presentation by the extremely clever chap (can't remember his name) who has designed the software for the closed loop. They are using the same sensors. They know there is an issue here with time delay but there is no real way around this at this time. If the sensor goes into the interstital blood just under the skin, then there will be a slight difference.

However you look at peoples results with a sensor and without a sensor. The evidence is very very clear, better control with a pump but even better with sensors. What hospital are you under just for info?😡

Yes! And I was told it costs me approximately ?2500 if I want to purchase it myself!!!!😱😱😱
 
?2500, what for just the sensor part of it? Rubbish. The transmitter is no more than ?400, it may have come down from that. They generally last for ages (years) but a couple have had bad ones and they have been replaced. The sensors did cost ?60 each lasting 6 days tops, but then came down quickly to ?40 and I believe they are less than that, you would need to phone Medtronic. In Canada they are about ?16 each but we can't ship them as they need to be kept cool!
 
Ive actually found this thread really interesting and very useful, as you may know from one of other threads I am going through the process now as well. I dont have the choice of pump, only medtroinic, but from some of the things written here its really good to hear the important stuff and not just what the clinic tells me.

I now have an appointment with the pump consultant after making a lot of fuss at the end of April. I just cant wait. I want this really badly now!

If I send a private message is there a way of adding an attachment? I would really like to send you this file that my friend sent me. Its not hefty, just easy reading comparison stuff.
 
Ive actually found this thread really interesting and very useful, as you may know from one of other threads I am going through the process now as well. I dont have the choice of pump, only medtroinic, but from some of the things written here its really good to hear the important stuff and not just what the clinic tells me.

I now have an appointment with the pump consultant after making a lot of fuss at the end of April. I just cant wait. I want this really badly now!

If I send a private message is there a way of adding an attachment? I would really like to send you this file that my friend sent me. Its not hefty, just easy reading comparison stuff.

really glad you are getting sorted with a pump! I hope i dont have to wait too long, i really want mine too. good luck with appointment, i know you dont have a choice but i think medronic sounds great, lets hope you can get the sensors sorted too.🙂
 
cheers tracey! lets remember each other and keep in touch! we may need each others support 🙂
 
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