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  1. welshy1

    welshy1 Member

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    Is it right that sweet potatoes are better to eat than white potatoes. Have you got to cut potatoes out of diet completely with type 2.
    I have been putting peas on meals. I have just read a post saying peas are quite high in carbs.
     
  2. Drummer

    Drummer Well-Known Member

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    sweet potatoes are actually higher in carbs than ordinary ones - neither feature in my diet, and I am really sensitive to carbs from peas and beans - I eat only a small amount if any at all. Green beans are not so bad as peas, though.
    You really need to test before and after eating - the usual gap is 2 hours.
    You will probably need to check whatever other people tell you though - some can eat porridge and others - like me just get a spike in BG.
    I can eat the low carb breads - if I am careful. The ones I get are 4 gm per slice. Any other grain based foods - whole meal, brown or white - whoosh - potatoes - whoosh and remaining high for hours.
     
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  3. Anitram

    Anitram Well-Known Member

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    I know that I can manage 3 or 4 small roast or new potatoes or a dozen chips but, as Drummer says, you won't know if you are OK with something unless you test your BG level before the meal and then two hours afterwards.

    Peas are around 7.5g of carb per 100g whereas some other veg, for example broccoli, are only half that. Cauliflower only a third. If you're going low carb then peas will cost you more carbs than other veg.

    Green veg are generally recommended over root veg, although I personally haven't found carrots a problem. I grate raw carrot onto my salads.

    If you embrace pre- and post- meal testing you'll soon work out what's OK and what's not.

    Martin
     
  4. zuludog

    zuludog Well-Known Member

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    With sweet potatoes and ordinary potatoes you need to consider both the total CHO content and the Glycaemic Index, which is a measure of how quickly carbohydrates are turned into sugar. Sweet potatoes have a lower GI than ordinary ones
    That's when things get a bit more complicated and you have to do your homework, and, as mentioned, measure your BS to see how any CHO affects you. It's simpler just not to eat them. Same goes for other CHO things like pasta, pastry, & rice

    Since I was diagnosed 20 years ago I have cut out a lot of carbohydrates, and I'm still working on it; you need to be careful all the time. I found the easiest was just to cut out potatoes completely (but see exception), and substitute plenty of vegetables. You soon get used to it
    I do eat all types of vegetables though, including peas & beans. As well as peas on my plate I eat veg stews & casseroles. You just have to be careful about how much you eat
    Now & again I'll buy some new potatoes and have one or two with a salad or poached fish & veg, but I allow for them

    A side issue about potatoes, and not only for diabetics, is how they are eaten. Plain boiled spuds are OK as long as you know about them, but the problem is the things they attract and are served with, like fat & butter for chips & mash; mayonnaise on a baked spud; or commercial sauces which contain fat, sugar, and salt
     
  5. welshy1

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    Hi zuludog
    Thanks for the info on spuds.
    I am really srtuggling at moment to prepare good food. Just had our lunch. It was bland and boring. I am steaming veg broccoli and green beans. I cooked chicken in oven in foil, I had fish cooked same way. But there is no taste in anything. I am going to have to find something to make the food tasty. I did look at some recipes earlier. I am going to try cottage pie with carrot mash that sounds really tasty.
     
  6. welshy1

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    The nurse at doctors surgery did not mention to my partner about doing pre or post testing. Do you think it is worth getting back to the nurse and asking her if he needs to be doing that.
     
  7. Eddy Edson

    Eddy Edson Well-Known Member

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    Chances are the nurse will say not to, but just about everybody here will say you should. But only if you actually use it for something, not just for showing to the nurse or whatever. What you want is to know what kind of foods do what to your partner - every T2 will react to different foods differently, so there's really no very useful general recommendations to be made about potatoes or anything else, and hence the need for testing.
     
  8. Ralph-YK

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  9. zuludog

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    A few point to think about -

    You don't say how long you've been diagnosed. Have you joined Diabetes UK? They have an introductory guide and a careline. Also a magazine with interesting articles and recipes; and recipe books
    You could go to your library for books about diabetes - general, which usually have a few recipes and food advice anyway, or diabetic cookery; or look at the book section on this forum or try Amazon

    You could Search The Net and YouTube for meals for diabetics. Many meals and recipes are by Americans. Nothing wrong with that but add 'UK' to the search to make it more relevant. As with anything on t'Net you have to be a bit cautious

    I've just discovered Mediterranean and Middle Eastern cookery. It's not all diabetes friendly, but at the moment I'm eating things based on Greek Salad even if it's not absolutely authentic
    It occurred to me that variations on salad dressings like French or Italian could be used on other meals; just play around with them. But make your own; for example I noticed that Newman's Own French Dressing has added sugar
    Again, Search Google and YouTube. There are lots of videos. I'm not a great fan of Jamie Oliver, but his video 'Principles for Salads' has a simple dressing

    Fish or chicken in foil? How about adding rosemary to the chicken or tarragon to both; plus salt & black pepper; butter; white wine; olive oil; garlic if you like it; a few sliced mushrooms; lemon juice - out of a real lemon or a bottle; sliced bell peppers

    When I was diagnosed I had a session with the dietician/nutritionist, and I remember her words - 'Don't get hung up ( we were both of similar age, and were young in the 1970s) on what you can't have. Concentrate on what you CAN have'.

    Go to the Home Page of Diabetes UK. Scroll down and you'll find a section on food, meals, and recipes
     
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  10. Anitram

    Anitram Well-Known Member

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    As Eddy says, the DN will most likely say that your partner doesn't need to be testing. However, you may be able to convince them that it would help manage their BG levels. That doesn't stop you buying your own, of course. Other members can offer advice on this.

    I was lucky as I was given a testing kit when diagnosed, and I get everything that goes with it on prescription, but my experience isn't typical. I'd hate to be without it now.

    Martin
     
  11. Drummer

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    A low carb diet is not at all bland - cook your fish with a herb butter - roast some veges to have with it - mushrooms, courgette, aubergine - try mashed cauliflower where you'd 'expect' mashed potatoes, or celeriac.
    Roasting chicken thighs, on a rack or In the Tefal Actifry gives them a crispy skin - delicious.
    In the hot weather I often have a salad - sweet pepper, a bag of prepared salad, coleslaw celery radish cucumber - salad dressing with a pinch of herbs added and shaken up - leave a few hours for the flavour to develop.
     
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  12. Anitram

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    Smoked fish poached in foil is tasty if served with a dollop of Lurpak or similar melted on top. That's a regular with me. The lazy option with chicken is to use one of those cook-in-a-bag packet sauces. Lots of flavouring options. Bolognese is also a regular with us, but with half portions of wholegrain spelt pasta or spaghetti rather than the regular kind.

    We had a traditional roast dinner yesterday. I just went easy on the roast potatoes.

    Martin
     
  13. belugalad

    belugalad Well-Known Member

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    Now and again I have a chicken curry made with pataks curry sauce in the jar, it's enough to make 2 curries and I serve it with cauliflower rice that I get from Sainsburys frozen(packet of four)I liked the texture of the cauli rice,I added a big mound of broccoli too,I tested afterwards with my meter and I was fine
     
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  14. zuludog

    zuludog Well-Known Member

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    Search Google & YouTube for sweet potato mash, there are several references. If you're not too sure about it, you could substitute a proportion with ordinary potato to start with, but they have different cooking times so you would have to cook them separately then combine them at the end

    Also you could fry off the fat from the mince, or replace it with canned lentils, beans, or chick peas
     
  15. Drummer

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    Ah - the high carb option is one which doesn't work for me - no potatoes of any kind as they all cause spikes, no lentils at all - other than a few peas or a slightly larger portion of green beans - otherwise I have blood glucose in the teens.
    I add mushrooms to mince to soak up the fat. It is essential to have fats in your diet when low carbing.
     
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  16. rebrascora

    rebrascora Well-Known Member

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    Mushrooms and aubergines are wonderful for soaking up fats.
     
  17. CathyB

    CathyB Well-Known Member

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    I cut all potatoes, rice, pasta and only have a little low carb Burgen bread, I also spike with berries where others are fine, the only fruit I can have is 2 small apples as long as they are spread over the day. I love my diet now, I eat chilli or curry sometimes with cauliflower rice but sometimes just on its own, I love a tasty stir fry or a fresh salad with avocado, a favourite is cottage pie topped with mashed cauliflower and sprinkled with cheese :p
    If you go low carb you can go higher in good fats, butter, cream, olive oil, Greek yoghurt is a yummy treat. I also have sugar free jelly as a sweet treat :rolleyes:. I often go to my daughters for a roast, I just don’t have the spuds and she always does plenty of cabbage, broccoli & cauliflower so I always leave feeling stuffed!! I love a juicy steak topped with garlic mushrooms and served with cauliflower cheese (no milk or flour)......the list is endless.......I’m hungry now :eek:
     
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  18. welshy1

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    When you have a roast dinner do you have gravy with it. I know my partner would really enjoy having a good roast dinner. What veg do you have with your roast dinner, would love him to have something tasty for a change. I know he is not eating much at all, he has lost weight, but really does not need to lose any more. I am still struggling with meals.
     
  19. Anitram

    Anitram Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I have gravy. We use the Bisto granules, 2g carb for a 50ml portion. Our regular veg are broccoli, cauli, green beans and carrots but not heavy on the carrots as it's a root veg and it's generally recommended that root veg are eaten in moderation.

    I can manage a few small roast or new potatoes, too.

    Martin
     
  20. welshy1

    welshy1 Member

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    Thanks for the help. I am really struggling with the meals.
     

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