Once unthinkable, a ‘smoke-free’ Britain may soon be a reality

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Pulling a sweater from a drawer the other day, the smell of smoke took me by surprise.

It was only wood smoke, a legacy of pandemic socialising this freezing spring, when huddling around a garden bonfire was the only way of seeing friends. But it took me back decades, to the years when every night out meant coming home reeking of cigarettes, and every house party left a trail of beer bottles stuffed with fag ends floating in their ashy soup of dregs. Everyone smoked when I was growing up, pretty much everywhere. People lit up routinely on the bus, dads chain-smoked in cars all down the motorway to wherever you were going on holiday, and sweetshops sold candy cigarettes for little kids to pretend-smoke in the playground. The past is a foreign country, and sometimes better that way. But are we ready to consign it completely to history?

Oxfordshire county council recently unveiled plans to become the first county in England to go officially smoke-free – meaning fewer than 5% of locals smoking, down from 10% now – by 2025. Its aim of discouraging people from taking fag breaks even on the pavement outside offices, or in parks or in their own cars, seems doomed at first sight; councils have few legal powers to enforce such things, and a libertarian Tory government seems unlikely to grant new ones. The smokers’ rights organisation Forest is already protesting that it’s “no business of local councils if adults choose to smoke” – although technically speaking that’s exactly whose business it has been ever since David Cameron moved public health budgets from the NHS to local government.


Eight out of ten of my friends smoked when I was growing up, and so did I. I stopped in 1995 when the price went over £2 a pack - I don't know how people can afford it now! 😱 Best thing I did for my health. When I was in hospital for my diabetes diagnosis I was given an angiogram and afterwards the surgeon said that my arteries were in 'pristine' condition, this was 13 years after stopping 🙂
 
I'd still smoke if it wasn't bad for you though, it might stop me eating! That's what Dad said when he advised me to take up smoking at 15. :D That first drag ... mmm ... I'm such an addict! I'd have to join Quitters Inc.
 
I'm really lucky in that my parents didn't smoke and my close group of school friends and their parents didn't either which was all really unusual at that time. My sister was never tempted either but our brothers went through a phase of smoking and then quit probably in their mid 20s -30s and I don't think they were ever allowed to smoke in the house. Aunties and uncles did but because it was so alien to my normal environment it was really unpleasant and therefore not attractive at all. I can still remember the very first time I handled a cigarette and I was about 23 and it was to take it off a friend who had told us to do so if we caught them because they were trying to give up. Worked with plenty of colleagues who smoked though and spent plenty of nightshifts in cars with them smoking although they did at least wind the window down. Sadly several of them are now deceased either from cancer or alcohol related.

Good luck to Oxford council. It is awful to walk down the street behind someone who is smoking or walk through the cloud outside hospital entrances and get a lungful of smoke.... also makes you realize how much we breath in the contents of other people's lungs.
 
Not sure I want to live in a society that governs in this way, it's a nanny state. If people want to smoke, thats up to them - the NHS cost argument is not valid as smokers pay their fair share 10 times over as most of the cost is tax. I personally don't smoke, but believe government, especially power hungry local government has no business telling people they cannot do something which is perfectly legal in this country, so long as it is not harming others.

The irony is at the moment - your probably more at risk from inhaling someone's non-smoke breath at the moment, than the dispersed occasional second hand smoke from a smoker. We'll all be moving around the country in diving suits next.

Perhaps they should focus on air pollution and cutting that - something they are responsible for and have done nothing about - especially parents parked outside schools with their diesel engines running.
 
Perhaps they should focus on air pollution and cutting that - something they are responsible for and have done nothing about - especially parents parked outside schools with their diesel engines running.
It's strange isn't it? When I was at school there were no parents waiting outside with car engines running as far fewer people had cars, but more of them smoked! 🙄 I would walk home from the age of 5, or catch the bus when I was older and at a school farther away 🙂
 
What I object to is folk who moan about vaping. The vapour is completely harmless. If people object to the smell, they'll be banning farting in public soon.
 
Well sorry @mikeyB - daughter #1 and her husband packed in tobacco and swapped to vaping ages since and the pong of some of their vaping liquids over the years has made me want to throw up - just like that horrible cheap bright pink bubble gum a lot of children at my junior school used to favour. Eeeuk.

Yes - I'm a fine one to talk indeed - so I'll shut up. Just being truthful is all. Used to love the smell of Balkan Sobranie pipe tobacco years ago, vanilla! Wonderful to be treated to a cloud of that - but my dad didn't like it - so we had to put up with St Bruno!
 
What I object to is folk who moan about vaping. The vapour is completely harmless. If people object to the smell, they'll be banning farting in public soon.
I’m not convinced its harmless - its water vapour on the whole that has undergone chemical exchanges in the lungs then exhaled. There must be some microbes mixed in with that cloud and you are covering people with water you have ejected from your body. However I do vape, so won’t get on my high horse about it because I can’t - but i make an effort to not do it around others and to take notice of wind direction. People who vape should be considerate to others I think as much as possible
 
I'd still smoke if it wasn't bad for you though

Oooh that's an interesting one. I agree with that.
I haven't smoked since I was a teenager and even then only a few at a time but I still remember the effect of the first drag.

If it wasn't unhealthy and I didn't stink the next day or feel utterly rubbish, I'd smoke more cigars and drink more brandy from proper brandy glasses. In front of a nice fire with all the other lights out and sitting on a comfy chair.

And nobody will ever convince me that smoking doesn't look cool. 🙂
 
Not sure I want to live in a society that governs in this way, it's a nanny state. If people want to smoke, thats up to them - the NHS cost argument is not valid as smokers pay their fair share 10 times over as most of the cost is tax. I personally don't smoke, but believe government, especially power hungry local government has no business telling people they cannot do something which is perfectly legal in this country, so long as it is not harming others.

The irony is at the moment - your probably more at risk from inhaling someone's non-smoke breath at the moment, than the dispersed occasional second hand smoke from a smoker. We'll all be moving around the country in diving suits next.

Perhaps they should focus on air pollution and cutting that - something they are responsible for and have done nothing about - especially parents parked outside schools with their diesel engines running.

It's not a binary choice. Nobody is saying it's either ban smoking in public places or sort out pollution.

The problem with smokers rights, is that it directly infringes on everyone else's rights not to be affected by the smoker's action via second hand smoke or stinking clothes.

Anyway, smoking hasnt't been banned. Smokers can smoke to their hearts content. They are just being banned from doing it where their actions can impact on others who want to avoid the fumes. They can smoke in their own homes or outside away from others. That's perfectly reasonable. If smokers were reasonable people they'd have been doing this anyway but sadly selfish people need regulating.
 
What I object to is folk who moan about vaping. The vapour is completely harmless. If people object to the smell, they'll be banning farting in public soon.

Give me the smell of a fresh cigarette anyday over the synthetic choking stench of vaping clouds in my face. I'm very glad to see much less vaping these days. People have every right to dislike having a cloud of noxious smelling fumes blown straight at them.

And what makes you think the vapour is completely harmless?
 
I’m not convinced its harmless - its water vapour on the whole that has undergone chemical exchanges in the lungs then exhaled. There must be some microbes mixed in with that cloud and you are covering people with water you have ejected from your body. However I do vape, so won’t get on my high horse about it because I can’t - but i make an effort to not do it around others and to take notice of wind direction. People who vape should be considerate to others I think as much as possible

It's not necessarily just water vapour coming out of the vape either. There will be other things in the vaping liquid which will be in there - not all of which will be completely harmless.
I'm pretty sure there's research showing some health problems associated with using them but I couldn't direct you to it without digging.
 
peanut lung has been reported. However, like covid vaccines - in comparison to smoking the risk is substantially lower.

I still think air pollution is worse - sucking in fine particulates of NOx and SOx cannot be good news for anyone - and unlike smoking- you don’t have a choice if you do or don’t
 
peanut lung has been reported. However, like covid vaccines - in comparison to smoking the risk is substantially lower.

I still think air pollution is worse - sucking in fine particulates of NOx and SOx cannot be good news for anyone - and unlike smoking- you don’t have a choice if you do or don’t
Air pollution probably is worse and both issues have and continue to be getting tackled.
 
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