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NHS test and Trace alert

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mikeydt1

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If you have an Iphone then it may be worth checking your apps to see if the NHS test and trace has downloaded on to it without your knowledge.

BBC are reporting on this situation and i had a carer here yesterday who had an iphone and when she checked yep it had downloaded without knowledge or permission.

I have android and so far nothing but feel it will follow suit.

Also watch out for people to be claiming to be from NHS test and trace, they are trying to get people's details or get them to depart with money.
 
mikeydt1 said:
If you have an Iphone then it may be worth checking your apps to see if the NHS test and trace has downloaded on to it without your knowledge.

BBC are reporting on this situation and i had a carer here yesterday who had an iphone and when she checked yep it had downloaded without knowledge or permission.

I have android and so far nothing but feel it will follow suit.

Also watch out for people to be claiming to be from NHS test and trace, they are trying to get people's details or get them to depart with money.
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It’s not been downloaded. All that’s happened is that an update has been installed so that you can download the app when it’s available.93CB1C4C-9F9A-4051-9596-809D6E26D387.jpeg
 
Here is what the BBC are reporting:

www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: New Covid-19 tracing tool appears on smartphones

The new "exposure notification" tool is part of an update to iPhone and Android operating systems.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

As ColinUK says, it is part of the operating system and not an app. So this feature will only show on your phone if you have chosen to allow your phone to automatically download and install updates.

The feature also has no functionality, even if you turn it on, without also manually downloading an approved, app to access the data which it records.

And, as was very widely reported last week, there is no "NHS Track and Trace" app. The government trialled an app on the Isle of Wight which tried to bypass Bluetooth security restrictions, but it did not work on Apple devices so they had to abandon it. And that app was named "NHS COVID-19."
 
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And you can’t turn it on because there is no track and trace app in the UK.
 
My phone is prompting me for an update. I suspect that might be part of it, though it isnt mentioned in the brief description.
 
everydayupsanddowns said:
My phone is prompting me for an update. I suspect that might be part of it, though it isnt mentioned in the brief description.
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It wasn't on mine either when i ok'd the update. I only found out when hubby asked me to look as he'd heard others say about it. When i spoke to other people from work, they all had it as well
 
freesia said:
It wasn't on mine either when i ok'd the update. I only found out when hubby asked me to look as he'd heard others say about it. When i spoke to other people from work, they all had it as well
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Not OK’d the update yet... and Settings > Privacy > Health not showing any mention of Covid19
 
Current advice from a developer site suggests that the stated NHSX functionality will require at least Bluetooth 5.1, and that will rule out quite a few recently-bought phones.
 
how does the phone know if you get infected,can't find where to blow into on my phone........
 
had a nurse here yesterday and her husband phone is running android and it has installed on that without him knowing.

perhaps it works like radar atoll 🙄
 
atoll said:
how does the phone know if you get infected,can't find where to blow into on my phone........
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The (not terribly convincing) idea is to use Bluetooth to detect which phones you've been near for long enough, and then if one of the owners gets a positive test then your phone can tell you about it. (But given the time delay between someone being near you and getting a test result, if you're infected you've probably been spreading it for a few days already. And Bluetooth just isn't that good for measuring distance, and if it were it couldn't tell the difference between someone sitting behind you on a bus and in front of you, etc.)

And it's all irrelevant for the moment since this facility (in new enough iPhones and Android phones) won't do anything before there's an app, which might never arrive.

(Wouldn't have thought it would take that long just to adapt Germany's https://github.com/corona-warn-app (apparently took Greece a week), but so far they're still suggesting some time before winter.)
 
The thing that has appeared is not the app but the new bit of the operating system that it will need in order to function. It is activated only when a compatible app is installed 🙂
 
They've been talking about track and tracing apps on Radio 4 (about 1:25pm). Ireland has an operational system, I think. Using bluetooth, which they're claiming is accurate enough. It stores contact info for 14 days. If you get C19 diagnoses you're sent a code to put into the app. It then unlocks the stored info and uses it.
They said that in England, bluetooth had been discounted as not accurate enough. (I'd missed that.)
 
How good is good enough? And is anything better than nothing? They are as much sociological questions as technological ones. People who feel they have an app providing protection may behave differently than if they did not.

But this is a good article for understanding some of the technological problems with using Bluetooth to do something for which it was never designed:

theintercept.com

The Problem With Using Bluetooth for Coronavirus Contact Tracing

Judging distance based on the strength of a radio signal is a fraught process that can be stymied by physical obstructions, say the inventors of Bluetooth.
theintercept.com theintercept.com
 
It’s been on our phones since June, as others have said, it’s inactive and currently pointless.
 
test and trace now failing to contact 1000's who may of become infected while Johnson is bragging that it is the best system in the world!
 
Actually Johnson is changing his tune if you listen carefully... he is now claiming a world class TESTING system, he's dropped the trace and isolate bit. If you screw your eyes up and look at the numbers sideways he has a marginal point there.

He knows what the issues are but the Cummins method is never to acknowledge that there is a problem. If asked about it then just talk about something else.

Give me a Sturgeon any day.
 
mikeydt1 said:
test and trace now failing to contact 1000's who may of become infected while Johnson is bragging that it is the best system in the world!
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The claim now is that we're testing more people (per unit of population) than anywhere else in Europe. (Of course that's because we need to, but he doesn't mention that.) I'm not sure it's actually true (and we're still not actually saying how many people are being tested, so maybe his claims is actually just tests per million or something).
 
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