Newbie - just had pancrea removed

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Welcome to the forum @nigelbkeeble
I am glad that you have found us. There is a wealth of experience to tap into on here so just fire away with any questions that come to mind. Managing our diabetes takes a bit of getting used to but there is lots of practical advice from people that get it. Nothing is considered silly on here. Just ask.
 
Hello
I’m new to diabetes after having my pancreas removed. So I’m type 3c similar to type 1
Nigel
Hi, Nigel - welcome to the Forum. Sorry to hear that you've had a Pancreatectomy. I'm T2 but we have all types on the forum, including some 3c members.
 
Welcome @nigelbkeeble from another 3c, caused by pancreatitis in my case. I have a little pancreas left but it's not very helpful in terms of providing insulin so I'm also treated as if Type 1.
Hoping your recovery from the op is going well.
How are you getting on juggling insulin and Creon? Can you let us know which insulins you're taking?
I'm tagging @Proud to be erratic who has also had a pancreas removal. Also @martindt1606 and @CoventryTrev
 
Thanks Soup Dragon and Martin for your responses.
I will let you know what insulin I'm on when I get the information, the nurses are holding it at the moment.
 
Hello @nigelbkeeble, Welcome to the forum.

I had a total pancreatectomy in Feb '20 to deal with the tumour that was strangling my panc'y and assessed as pancreatic cancer. It was all a bit of a surprise (understatement), relatively rapid and has been a slightly strange lifestyle ever since. I had a few chemo sessions between June and August 2020 - called adjuvant chemo, which was a precautionary measure and had my share of "diversions" during and after my main recovery from the surgery since Feb 20.

I was discharged from hospital with a diagnosis of T1 and found out about the T3c terminology later on, from this Forum. The T1 designator proved to be useful, since it opened the door to better medical treatment; the T3c designator is better in that it is blatantly more accurate [for example I don't have the autoimmune circumstances that expressly lead to being diagnosed as T1] and has the potential to flag up to any Health Care Professional (HCP) that my diabetes is not in any way straightforward. But in practice the average HCP is totally unaware of what T3c means - to the point that some try to tell me it not only doesn't exist but I'm just a variant of T2! So it's a steady uphill struggle to get highly qualified people to stop and think about the consequences of having no pancreas. You might find it helpful to know from the outset that the T3c term is NOT widely recognised or understood and almost certainly would not be instantly recognised in an A&E; the immediate thing is making sure they realise you are insulin dependent.

If you'd like to tell us a bit more about why you had to have a Whipple Procedure, how long ago and thus what you already know about Diabetes that could be useful in allowing people on this forum to answer any questions you might have. I have, if I may, some opening questions for you:
Are you already on Multiple Daily Injections (MDI) and thus what insulins are you using?
Has the business of carb counting been explained to you? I left Hospital knowing it was an option but with minimal information and no training.
Have you been prescribed Continuous Glucose Monitoring (CGM) such as Libre 2? If so did anyone draw your attention to the limitations of CGM? It's a great aid to managing your Diabetes but is even better when used with an understanding of its limitations!

Anyway welcome to the forum. Do ask about anything that's concerning you. No question is stupid - we've all had the dilemma of starting to learn about and managing our diabetes. The experience base of forum members is huge.
 
Hello
I’m new to diabetes after having my pancreas removed. So I’m type 3c similar to type 1
Nigel
Nigel they took mine in 2010. Initial advice:
  • If you haven't got one already ask for a CGM - you need to understand what your blood glucose is doing.
  • ask to go on a DAFNE course ASAP - it covers carb counting, Bolus calculation, sick day rules, exercise. I didn't know it existed for the first couple of years but has certainly made a difference over the years.
  • If you haven't already asked, your care plan needs to include a pathway to a closed loop pump / CGM.
  • Experiment with your CREON dosage (or other PERT drug) you cannot take too many but you will struggle if you take too few or don't flex the dosage depending on type of meal.
If you're on Facebook there is a small group of us called Total Pancreatectomy u.k, wide range of No Pancreas members including people who have lived the life for longer than me through to much more recent who can provide advice relevant to where you are in your new journey.

Any questions just shout.
 
Welcome to the forum @nigelbkeeble

Glad you have joined us 🙂
 
Hello @martindt1606 and @Proud to be erratic.

So a quick update.

I’m using Levemir long acting insulin 18(AM) and 20 (PM).
I’m also using NovoRapid short acting insulin 7/6/6. This is until I’m used to carb counting.

I’ve done the Bertie online course.
I’ve also got a Libre2 in situ. I’m aware of the pumps but been told to get used to the basics before they will consider prescribing this.

Although I’ve only just become diabetic I was suffering with pancreatic insufficiency prior to removal of my pancreas. So I’ve been using Creon for a while.

I had a Total pancreatectomy islet auto transplant. So the whole pancreas has gone.
 
Hello @martindt1606 and @Proud to be erratic.

So a quick update.

I’m using Levemir long acting insulin 18(AM) and 20 (PM).
I’m also using NovoRapid short acting insulin 7/6/6. This is until I’m used to carb counting.
I was started on Levermir and NR. I don't remember my doses, but they were in the same sort of range. My DSN after my discharge saw my photos of my logbook (pre Libre for me, so all manual recording) and she steadily adjusted my doses. All done by email. The process was pretty crude and not too successful - I yo-yo'd from hypo to hyper, with hypos sometimes very deep and long lasting; but I did learn that while hypos were most unpleasant experiences I survived, felt the JBs bringing me back into an acceptable state and overall reduced my anxiety and fear about being low.

Despite Creon, I came to realise that I wasn't fully digesting my food and it took nearly 2 years for a Gastroenterologist to diagnose an unusual bacterial infection that was causing the malabsorption. Antibiotics sorted that out in Nov 21. Thereafter carb counting started to relate to bolus dosing and that relationship became increasingly apparent on my Libre.
I’ve done the Bertie online course.
Yes I did that; but also by then I had also found Gary Scheiner's book "Think Like a Pancreas". I found his explanation of and guidance for carb counting helpful. The bit I didn't grasp properly then was the effect of exercise and activity. So a number of subsequent hypos were solely because I had not reduced my bolus enough for the activity that I was doing by then.

These days, with nearly 4 yrs under my belt, I still calculate my carbs as accurately as I reasonably can but then relax in the conversion to units of bolus. Since I can be applying a reduction of 50% to account for activity, that is just one step in guestimating my insulin needed. [Guestimating because how punishing was 4 hrs of gardening? Its not something easily quantified.] If my BG is high when I need to bolus for the coming meal I have to add a correction and that becomes a further guestimate in itself; my personal natural insulin resistance seems to increase markedly when my BG is above c.9 and certainly 10. Also, but not the last consideration, different types of meals digest at different rates, sometimes needing me to split bolus doses: a bit before as a pre-bolus and a bit later (2 or 3 hrs later) as the digestion finally gets going fully.

Before CGM this would have been really tricky to contemplate. But now it's much more manageable and allow much more flexibility. I often start my evening meal undecided about whether to have a desert - but can add a 2nd bolus if I do decide to eat more. All easy enough even without CGM. But now I can start a meal and from what my CGM is telling me I can decide to just change what I'd originally planned - either way. I am increasingly appreciating being informed about my meal choices by my CGM and making subsequent bolus decisions accordingly.
I’ve also got a Libre2 in situ. I’m aware of the pumps but been told to get used to the basics before they will consider prescribing this.
I got Libre 2 after 12 months in Feb 21. I'm attaching below a link to the limitations of CGM, which I found most helpful in clarifying to me why what I was expecting didn't always appear.


Despite knowing these limitations I still get periods when my readings, graphs and trends just don't make sense! This is not because the CGM is wrong - it's just because, for me, diabetes is not playing within the rules as I understand those rules!
Although I’ve only just become diabetic I was suffering with pancreatic insufficiency prior to removal of my pancreas. So I’ve been using Creon for a while.
I think getting the Creon level right is important to ensure full digestion and absorption of all food - then bolus calculatng has more sense. But there is still plenty of guestimating!
I had a Total pancreatectomy islet auto transplant. So the whole pancreas has gone.
As already said do ask questions if you need to. Having absolutely no panc'y is, in my opinion really quite complex. Your former panc'y provided many functions. How much were remaining before your Whipples is probably not known and so how much you'd already adjusted to having missing pancreatic functionality will become clear in due course.

Good luck.
 
Hello @martindt1606 and @Proud to be erratic.

So a quick update.

I’m using Levemir long acting insulin 18(AM) and 20 (PM).
I’m also using NovoRapid short acting insulin 7/6/6. This is until I’m used to carb counting.

I’ve done the Bertie online course.
I’ve also got a Libre2 in situ. I’m aware of the pumps but been told to get used to the basics before they will consider prescribing this.

Although I’ve only just become diabetic I was suffering with pancreatic insufficiency prior to removal of my pancreas. So I’ve been using Creon for a while.

I had a Total pancreatectomy islet auto transplant. So the whole pancreas has gone.
sounds like you have a pretty switched on team looking after you. One extra piece of advise its not just about carb counting, try to keep a note of the impact of exercise and stress. Even with my pump and CGM the Bolus needs to be based primarily on carbs but you also need to factor in the impact of exercise before and after the injection. If you are going to sit and do nothing standard ratios are great but get up and do something you may find you've taken too much insulin............Even worse is the unexpected event. Hope you enjoy a constantly changing challenge.
 
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