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Hiya ,I am a new member ,Thank you for letting me join

I became a Diabetic in 2011 after losing half of my pancreas due to a tumour.
i was put on insulin which I did in the evening a long lasting one ..
I have been on the same one until 3 months ago.
I was referred Back to the hospital as my blood levels were always high , they were absolutely disgusted as I have not been looked after well at my GP Diabetic nurse.
So I am starting from the beginning now..

The insulin I was on is Not used now only for pregnant women..

So I have now got thr Libre 2 for testing levels then put onto two new insulin I am on Trurapi for Day time and my night one Toujeo ..

I am trying to get my head around all of this.
I attended a carb counting class but I am so confused now..
I got the Book Carbs &calories Counter..
I am desperately trying to understand this all .
I just do not know where to start..
I have the dosage of insulin the Diabetic nurse set for me so I am now trying to get my head around how to work out everything
 
Hi dorithy and welcome.

There are many Typ 1 folk here who I am sure will be able to help you better than I can. I know nothing about the insulin control method.

I just know for me as Typ 2 (I'm on metformin) carbs are the key, so not to eat too many of them in one sitting, spread it out a bit. One example which I always live by now, is I never eat a whole banana in one go, depending on the size I will half it or cut into 3, Eat half or portion at breakfast, other half for afternoon snack etc.
Usually on the back of any packaging, for bread or ready meals the total carbs is given. I aim to be below 35 carbs for main meal and 10-15 carbs max for snacks. But if you can always go for protein snack, boiled egg, nuts, some chicken etc. which have little or no carbs.

Best wishes to you.
 
Hi dorithy and welcome.

There are many Typ 1 folk here who I am sure will be able to help you better than I can. I know nothing about the insulin control method.

I just know for me as Typ 2 (I'm on metformin) carbs are the key, so not to eat too many of them in one sitting, spread it out a bit. One example which I always live by now, is I never eat a whole banana in one go, depending on the size I will half it or cut into 3, Eat half or portion at breakfast, other half for afternoon snack etc.
Usually on the back of any packaging, for bread or ready meals the total carbs is given. I aim to be below 35 carbs for main meal and 10-15 carbs max for snacks. But if you can always go for protein snack, boiled egg, nuts, some chicken etc. which have little or no carbs.

Best wishes to you.
Yes, carbs are the key, but in the case of people with Type 1, the key is counting them and adjusting insulin, not limiting them. Someone with Type 1 should be able to eat the diet they want.

There’s so much to get your head round to start with, @dorithy, and so much to remember. There are a couple of books that people with Type 1 often refer to, Think like a Pancreas, by Gary Schneider, and one by Ragnar Hanas 'Type 1 Diabetes in children, adolescents and young people,' Ignore the title it’s great for adults as well, it explains things really clearly (well, maybe you could skip the chapter on starting school!)
 
Yes, carbs are the key, but in the case of people with Type 1, the key is counting them and adjusting insulin, not limiting them. Someone with Type 1 should be able to eat the diet they want.

There’s so much to get your head round to start with, @dorithy, and so much to remember. There are a couple of books that people with Type 1 often refer to, Think like a Pancreas, by Gary Schneider, and one by Ragnar Hanas 'Type 1 Diabetes in children, adolescents and young people,' Ignore the title it’s great for adults as well, it explains things really clearly (well, maybe you could skip the chapter on starting school!)
 
Hi dorithy and welcome.

There are many Typ 1 folk here who I am sure will be able to help you better than I can. I know nothing about the insulin control method.

I just know for me as Typ 2 (I'm on metformin) carbs are the key, so not to eat too many of them in one sitting, spread it out a bit. One example which I always live by now, is I never eat a whole banana in one go, depending on the size I will half it or cut into 3, Eat half or portion at breakfast, other half for afternoon snack etc.
Usually on the back of any packaging, for bread or ready meals the total carbs is given. I aim to be below 35 carbs for main meal and 10-15 carbs max for snacks. But if you can always go for protein snack, boiled egg, nuts, some chicken etc. which have little or no carbs.

Best wishes to you.
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Hi and welcome from me too.

Not wanting to confuse you too much but you are actually Type 3c rather than Type 1. Diabetes Type is categorized by the cause and Type 1 is caused by the body's immune system attacking and killing off the beta cells which produce insulin. It is therefore an autoimmune condition. Type 3c diabetes is due to damage to the pancreas from disease surgery or trauma. In your case, both disease and surgery. You should be treated the same as Type 1 if you need insulin but there are subtle differences and it is slightly more complex than Type 1. The nurse at your GP surgery is not really to blame as she is not trained to deal with more complex cases and you should probably have been referred to the specialist clinic after your surgery, for support. Unfortunately many Type 1s and Type 3c diabetics are misdiagnosed sometimes for several years and don't get the treatment and support they need. This is often due to a lack of knowledge about these more complex cases at primary care (GP practice) level.

Good to hear that you are now receiving the appropriate treatment and support but yes it is pretty mind boggling and scary at first with trying to get your head around adjusting your own doses to account for the carbs you are eating. It does gradually get easier but none of us get it right all the time so don't even try to get perfect results or expect to. Diabetes is far to complex for that..... Makes you really appreciate what a clever little organ our pancreas was when it worked properly...... Talking of which, as a Type 3c diabetic, do you also need to take Creon? This is a digestive supplement because the pancreas also produces those. It may be that your remaining bits of pancreas are able to continue this function but you should be aware that if you start to have issues with your digestion and bowel movements, that you may start to need Creon. The fact that these sigestive enzymes release the glucose from your food can also have an impact on balancing your BG levels, +
so if for example you don't take Creon but you need it, you may not be able to metabolize the carbs in your food and that could throw your carb counting calculations off, so knowing all this extra stuff about Type 3c is important.
We have quite a few Type 3c members who are active on the forum who can perhaps relate to your situation or offer advice regarding Creon if you need it. Some will be like yourself and have had partial removal,, some total and some damage due to disease but still otherwise intact. I will tag a few of them who will hopefully be able to answer any specific Type 3c queries you have..... @Proud to be erratic, @soupdragon @eggyg.

As regards diet, with insulin, you are generally encouraged to eat a normal balanced diet, so you should not feel restricted in what you can eat or when or indeed if you want to skip meals or have snacks in between meals. They key is injecting the right amount of insulin for whatever you eat at the right time..... simple eh 🙄.... NOT!!
In reality, some foods are not worth the BG upheaval as you will find through Libre that they send things a bit haywire and this can be quite individual.... For instance despite it's slow release reputation, some of us find that porridge is like rocket fuel and sends our BG into orbit, whereas others find it works great for them as a breakfast option. Gradually you figure out which things are worth a bit of "turbulence" occasionally and which are not and which foods you enjoy that work well and are easy to dose for. It is very much a process of "trial and improvement" and Libre is really great for helping you see how your body responds to different foods, so really pleased you have that. It is all about experimenting on yourself but obviously keeping one eye very firmly on keeping yourself safe. Libre is also great for helping with this, but never put all your faith in the technology because it isn't always totally reliable and there are certainly times when you need to double check it with finger pricks.

Anyway, please make yourself at home here and ask any questions that you have. I found in the early days particularly, the forum was great for filling in the blanks where I hadn't fully taken in what the nurse had told me..... plus the info here is all lived experience which can be quite different from the theory the nurses and doctors tell us about.
 
Welcome to the forum @dorithy

Sorry to hear about the slightly wobbly start to your diabetes journey.

Hopefully now you will be able to get a better understanding of how to balance meals (specifically carbohydrates in them) with an insulin dose that works for your unique metabolism, gut biome, and genetic make-up, while your Toujeo is looking after the background trickle of glucose from your liver that keeps things ticking over when you aren’t eating.

Hope you find those book suggestions helpful.

You might also want to ask your hospital clinic about any local courses on Type 1, such as DAFNE. Alternatively there’s a free online course called BERTIE which covers similar ground


Or there’s a simpler lightweight overview here which might help
 
Hi @dorithy, welcome from a T3c after a total pancreatectomy.

You must be in info overload right now. When you are ready or need further help just ask. There is lots more to push towards you, but it's probably safer right now to fill in gaps! It is complicated and does feel daunting and confusing, but should steadily make sense in time.

One tiny thought: don't try to change what you normally do or want to do or how you want to live in the long term. With a sensible insulin strategy you should be able to have a normal life and its best to try and make that insulin strategy suit your future, rather than change to a lifestyle you'll struggle to maintain. This is one of the major differences from your former world of being T2 and trying to minimise carbs; then you had to do that, because your body and oral meds didn't work for you.

Ask when you need help or suggestions. No question is stupid.
 
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