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Duncan23

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Last December my eyesight blurred quite suddenly. The Doctor suggested a visit to the optician, who thought I might have Diabetes. I was tested by the Doctor just before Christmas and had a reading of 19.9mmol/l my A1c test results were 94mmol/mol. Another confirmation test in mid January showed an A1c result of 99mmol/mol. I’m 56. I was a bit overweight at 12 stone 6. It was all a bit of a shock. My instinct was to try to loose some weight, get fit and see if I could lower my readings. I’d been working very hard in 2022, including weekends. No holidays, no time off. I have my own business.
I lost about a stone by March. My blood sugar reading reduced quite quickly. I cut out sugar and most carbs. My readings in the morning came down to 6-8 mmol/l. I felt like I’d turned thing around. My A1c test showed 64mmol/mol. Then in May my readings climbed again and are now back to where I started. A recent A1c was 100mmol/mol.
I’ve kept my diet the same. I’ve lost more weight and I’m now a slim 10 stone 9. I’ve gone from a 39” waist to 33”.
My question is- why did my blood sugar improve and then rise again? If I reduced it once can I do it again?
I’m not taking any medication.
Any advice much appreciated.
Duncan
 
I will follow this because my diet reduced my sugar rapidly but is now going up again.
One thing I might ask is have you stopped any exercise that you were doing?
Are you stressed ? Do you sleep well?
 
Are you actually a type 2? Have they done the type 1 tests? Laying off the carbs may have given your pancreas a second wind, but a1c like yours, together with weight loss, may indicate type 1
 
I will follow this because my diet reduced my sugar rapidly but is now going up again.
One thing I might ask is have you stopped any exercise that you were doing?
Are you stressed ? Do you sleep well?
I’d been going to the gym two or three times a week and out for a walk most other days. I started building my own house ( myself) in April, so was doing more physical work two or three days a week instead of the gym (aerobic). Maybe it’s the wrong type of exercise. I’m too tired to do both. So yes- my exercise has changed.
 
Are you actually a type 2? Have they done the type 1 tests? Laying off the carbs may have given your pancreas a second wind, but a1c like yours, together with weight loss, may indicate type 1
I’m not sure. I’ve not had any specific tests. I’m seeing the doctor this week- so will ask him to test me. Thanks
 
I’d been going to the gym two or three times a week and out for a walk most other days. I started building my own house ( myself) in April, so was doing more physical work two or three days a week instead of the gym (aerobic). Maybe it’s the wrong type of exercise. I’m too tired to do both. So yes- my exercise has changed.
To be honest I think TDM is right it might be a good decision to go back and ask to be checked seems strange they have not offered medication. Or like me was that your choice. I don't know enough but I am thinking some get remission but for others our bodies need more help.
 
I will follow this because my diet reduced my sugar rapidly but is now going up again.
One thing I might ask is have you stopped any exercise that you were doing?
Are you stressed ? Do you sleep well?
I am very stressed and I’m not sleeping well. I’ve had a very busy year.
 
To be honest I think TDM is right it might be a good decision to go back and ask to be checked seems strange they have not offered medication. Or like me was that your choice. I don't know enough but I am thinking some get remission but for others our bodies need more help.
The doctor is pushing for medication. I’d rather sort myself out, but as time goes on I’m not sure I can turn thing around.
 
The doctor is pushing for medication. I’d rather sort myself out, but as time goes on I’m not sure I can turn thing around.
That is why I am following as I am trying to do the same.
 
I am very stressed and I’m not sleeping well. I’ve had a very busy year.
I think this has more influence on blood sugar than is thought off.
 
High blood sugars will leave you tired and effect the quality of your sleep.
Whether t1 or t2, it would be best to get those levels down in the near future
 
That’s good advice- taking some medication will help and give me some time to slow things down with work, etc. I do feel like I need to change my lifestyle- I’m a bit of a workaholic.
 
I think it sounds like Type 1 is a definite possibility @Duncan23 The fact your HbA1C shot back up to where it was sounds indicative of Type 1. It often comes on more slowly in adults. Do make sure your GP tests for it. It can be very dangerous if left untreated.
 
Thank you- I hadn’t considered T1. I’d better read up about it.
If you are seeing your doctor it might be worth keeping a record of the food you have and an approx estimate of the carbs and some of your blood glucose readings so you can show that despite cutting your carbs your blood glucose is increasing and you are experiencing weight loss that might then be to impetus for getting the Type 1 tests. C-peptide and GAD antibodies are what you would need.
 
Yes -I have an app with records of my blood glucose levels since December -14.2mmol/l this morning, which is normal just now.
I'm not experiencing weight loss -it's just I lost weight (purposefully) due to change in diet/excercise since December -cutting out sugar and carbs.
I'll certainly ask about these tests when I see the doctor tomorrow.
Thanks.
 
Good luck i hope you have success.
 
Yes -I have an app with records of my blood glucose levels since December -14.2mmol/l this morning, which is normal just now.
I'm not experiencing weight loss -it's just I lost weight (purposefully) due to change in diet/excercise since December -cutting out sugar and carbs.
I'll certainly ask about these tests when I see the doctor tomorrow.
Thanks.
It will be worth going into that appointment prepared because many GPs know very little about Type 1 and even sometimes even have misunderstanding about it. For instance many believe that Type 1 only exhibits in children and young adults, so if you are a mature adult, it must be Type 2.
Diabetes is diagnosed by the HbA1c test, but that reading above 47 just tells the doctor that you are diabetic ie. that you have raised BG levels. The diabetes Type, is often just an assumption based on clinical presentation and perhaps misinformation if you have a GP who believes only children get Type 1. There is no specific test for Type 2, but there are 2 tests for Type 1 although neither are guaranteed totally conclusive and ideally need to be sanctioned and the results interpreted by an experienced consultant rather than a GP, so ideally push for a referral to a hospital diabetes clinic for these tests.
The tests are:-
The C-peptide test which measures the amount of insulin your body is able to produce itself and whilst there is a urine test which is cheaper, the blood test is more accurate but also needs specialist handling (the blood sample needs to be frozen within 20 mins of being drawn and sent off the the lab frozen which isn't easily facilitated from a GP practice. and you should be done under circumstances where
The antibody test. Usually GAD antibodies but there are a few others that can be tested. Again this is a blood test but there are only a few lads in the country which offer this test and it usually takes about 6 weeks for this test result to come back. Type 1 is an autoimmune condition where the body's immune system gets a bit keen or confused and attacks the beta cells which produce insulin. It doesn't kill them off all at once and in older adults it may happen gradually which is why it has a slower onset than is typically seen in children.

Adjusting your diet to low carb, will help the remaining beta cells cope a little better but gradually they will reach a crisis point and levels will rise again, which may be what you are seeing. It can get to a tipping point where they are no longer able to produce enough to provide energy for your body and you start to live off your body stores, meaning that your body is no longer using glucose because it can't access it due to lack of insulin and it starts breaking down fat and protein, from your muscles. This produces ketones which is the same as with a keto diet in that you are feeding your body with fat and protein instead of carbs/glucose BUT because there is not enough insulin. BG levels go really high and create an acidic environment in the blood and the combination of acidity and ketones is extremely toxic and can result in organ damage/failure, coma and death is very extreme situations. This is called Diabetic KetoAcidosis or DKA.

I would recommend that you ask for a means of testing for ketones.... usually Ketostix to dip in your urine... to test when your BG levels are persistently mid teens or above. Usually DKA becomes more likely with BG levels above 14 and insufficient insulin in your system, but of course you have no way of gauging how much insulin you are producing on a daily basis, so being able to check for ketones is a way of keeping yourself safe and then if they suddenly develop, you need to seek urgent medical assistance, where they can give you insulin. Usually you will see easy or unexplained weight loss as you are approaching this crisis point, where the body starts "eating itself" because it can't get fuel from food. This is OK if you are Type 2 and producing enough insulin and is how Keto diets work, but in the absence of enough insulin, when BG levels go high, it is dangerous.

Sorry to overload you with a lot of info but unfortunately in the current climate GPs are reluctant to refer people to clinics because many of them are overwhelmed with cases, plus there is a cost implication to a referral and then GPs simply don't know enough about diabetes in many cases to really understand the potential risks of a misdiagnosed Type 1, so you have to gain knowledge and understanding yourself in order to keep yourself safe and push for the help you need.

I would say that the minimum you want from the appointment is some Ketostix to test for ketones when BG levels are high and to plant the seed of doubt in your GPs mind about your Type 2 diagnosis. The best would be Ketostix and a referral to the consultant, but I think you may struggle with that straight off as you haven't tried medication yet.
 
Thanks so much for the detailed and lengthy reply. I feel more educated about this already. I must admit that I didn't realise it was possible to get Type 1 at my age.
I'll try to push for these tests for Type 1 and also the ketones Ketostix. I did get tested for the Ketones back in January -and that test was negative. That is quite a while ago now -so worth checking again.
I'm not sure what is available at my local hospital -in terms of a Diabetes clinic or referral to a specialist, so I'll find out about that while I'm at the doctor.
 
I must admit that I didn't realise it was possible to get Type 1 at my age.
It is. It becomes less common with age but it's possible at any age. A former PM, Theresa May become T1 as an adult (in 2012, so I guess she was 55 or 56), as did the current Speaker of the House.

(Apparently it's becoming more common for young people to develop Type 2 diabetes, likely for a variety of reasons.)
 
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