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mmol/. 11.1 ?

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Greenman07

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Hi all

Is that mmol of 11.1 dangerous T2, I have had numerous readings of blood glucose on awaking 8.7 after food with 1.5 hr delay reading 10.4 second reading 4 hours later 10.4 then another reading exercise cycling 1 hr after toast mmol 11.1 Am I eating the wrong foods had mostly fish. Some potato wedges boiled egg, and small portion cheese.

Can anyone advise on this absolute minefield as despite reading various articles re food fasting and correct carb intake and monitoring readings I appear to be all over the place. Can anyone interpret what’s happening btw no meds taken as none have been given by GP.

All comments welcomed
 
5 - 8 is what we aim for on waking and 2 hours after food. Exercise can increase your BG just because it is active, but it should drop after resting. Bread is high carb, best go for wholemeal and find one with the lowest carbs that you enjoy - I go for Nimble, but they are smaller slices and won't suit everyone. I guess you know which foods are high carbs - bread, pasta, rice, veggies that grow under the earth, most fruits except berries and an occasional apple or pear, cakes, sugary drinks, biscuits, pastries etc. Fish is good, matchbox size of cheese is good, boiled eggs (any eggs) are great, potato wedges are high carb (as potatoes grow under the earth), best test your BG before eating any and 2 hours after - if still above 8 then eat less or only have once in a while and reduce other carbs that day. Keep an online food diary as well as logging your BG readings, then it is easy to look back on and work out where the spikes are coming from - might need a little detective work, but it is better than going on blindly.
I'm not on meds either, I said I wanted to try without them (diet and exercise) and as have been doing good, my DN has left me to carry on until my review next April.
It is a minefield, but with a BG meter and an online food diary that shows you calories, carbs, fat, protein etc, we can start to feel more in control. Hope this helps, but if you have any specific questions just ask away - we are all grateful for whatever help we need - and soon we can give back in return 🙂
 
A BG of 11.1 is slightly out of range but could be a lot worse.
 
Hi

11.1 is higher than you would like but as a one off reading it is nothing to be overly concerned about other than obviously working to bring your levels down so that you don't get levels quite that high. If it gives you some perspective, high 20s-30smmols/litre BG readings would be potential emergency/dangerous levels.

Similarly your 8.7 waking reading is a bit higher than is ideal. You would be aiming for 4-7 ideally.

It is important to understand that BG levels vary quite a lot throughout the day and night due to a whole host of factors including food and exercise which are the main players, but hormones and stress and illness and the ambient temp and the time of year etc... all have an impact. Generally we recommend testing just before eating a meal and then 2 hours afterwards. The food you eat causes your BG levels to go up and your body then responds by producing insulin to bring it down again. With diabetes that insulin response can be slow or not enough or your body can resist using the insulin, so your levels come back down more slowly than they should and perhaps don't come down far enough.
Carbohydrates break down very quickly and easily to release glucose into your blood stream and usually peak within that 2 hour period after eating and may be starting to come down at that point. You are looking to keep the rise in BG caused by the food to no more than 3 whole mmols more than your premeal reading at the 2 hour point. So if you were 7.2 before the meal and you went up to 10.8 two hours later you had more carbs than your body could cope with. If you work on reducing the carbs so that the rise is less than 3mmols, the premeal readings will gradually start to come down and eventually your levels will come down into the normal 4-7 premeal range..

Not sure how much you know about food and nutrition but there are 3 main food groups that we get nutrients and energy from...
Protein, Fat and Carbohydrates.
Many items of food contain more than one of these nutrients so meat and fish and eggs and cheese have almost no carbs and are mostly protein and fat. Grains and all the products made from grains (flour, bread, pasta, couscous, breakfast cereals etc) have a small amount of protein and fats but a lot of carbohydrate. Similarly potatoes and other below ground veg are higher in carbs and so is fruit because it contains fructose, a sugar, which is carbohydrate, so those are the foods that you need to restrict in order to control the height to which your BG spikes.

Exercise can cause your BG levels to go up or down. It depends on the type of exercise and how fit you are. Even if it pushes your levels higher in the short term, it will bring them down over the longer term. I usually find that it will lower my BG over the next 24 hours but the effect can last up to 48 hours, so exercise is good at helping manage diabetes but it can be confusing if you are looking for instant results and see a rise when you were hoping for a drop. Generally, low level exercise over about 40 mins will drop your levels.... a walk or gentle swim or bike ride.... that sort of thing. Exercise which causes muscle burn and sweat and heavy breathing will usually push levels up in real time, but be beneficial over the longer term. A combination of both can be really effective.

So looking at the foods you mention, toast and potato wedges are high carb foods, so those are the things that you would look at reducing the portion size if your levels increased by more than 3mmols 2 hours after eating them. So if you had 2 slices of toast, you could just have one but have more protein and fat with it..... so more cheese or eggs or meat or fish, but less bread and also incorporate some veg if you can, like some salad or leafy green veg or cauliflower. Or you could find a loaf of bread which has less carbs per slice. That might be a seeded wholemeal loaf. I know that a standard medium slice of wholemeal bread is about 15g carbs per slice (which is equivalent to about 3 spoons of sugar as far as your BG levels are concerned. Warburtons do a 400g wholemeal (No added sugar) loaf which is just 9g carbs per slice. Granted the slices are slightly smaller but still reasonable. So a sandwich made from 2 of those instead of 2 normal slices is only 18g carbs as oppose to 30g carbs, so you lost 1/3 of the carbs just by using a different bread for your sandwich.
I know that will all seem quite complicated at first, but once you start to look at the nutritional labels of the foods you buy (this will usually be in very small print on the back or side of the packet), start keeping a food diary and testing before and after meals and including those test results in your food diary, you will start to see how it all works and which foods cause you the most BG upheaval and that can be quite individual.

I hope most of that makes sense, but if not, let me know what you don't understand and will try to explain it better.

Having a clear and quite disciplined testing regime and keeping a food diary with your before and after results should help enormously.
 
5 - 8 is what we aim for on waking and 2 hours after food. Exercise can increase your BG just because it is active, but it should drop after resting. Bread is high carb, best go for wholemeal and find one with the lowest carbs that you enjoy - I go for Nimble, but they are smaller slices and won't suit everyone. I guess you know which foods are high carbs - bread, pasta, rice, veggies that grow under the earth, most fruits except berries and an occasional apple or pear, cakes, sugary drinks, biscuits, pastries etc. Fish is good, matchbox size of cheese is good, boiled eggs (any eggs) are great, potato wedges are high carb (as potatoes grow under the earth), best test your BG before eating any and 2 hours after - if still above 8 then eat less or only have once in a while and reduce other carbs that day. Keep an online food diary as well as logging your BG readings, then it is easy to look back on and work out where the spikes are coming from - might need a little detective work, but it is better than going on blindly.
I'm not on meds either, I said I wanted to try without them (diet and exercise) and as have been doing good, my DN has left me to carry on until my review next April.
It is a minefield, but with a BG meter and an online food diary that shows you calories, carbs, fat, protein etc, we can start to feel more in control. Hope this helps, but if you have any specific questions just ask away - we are all grateful for whatever help we need - and soon we can give back in return 🙂
Thanks for the great advice I’m working on a plan but clearly finding the food fat protein and carbs the tricky part. I’ll keep at it monitoring and recording till I get round it all
 
Hi

11.1 is higher than you would like but as a one off reading it is nothing to be overly concerned about other than obviously working to bring your levels down so that you don't get levels quite that high. If it gives you some perspective, high 20s-30smmols/litre BG readings would be potential emergency/dangerous levels.

Similarly your 8.7 waking reading is a bit higher than is ideal. You would be aiming for 4-7 ideally.

It is important to understand that BG levels vary quite a lot throughout the day and night due to a whole host of factors including food and exercise which are the main players, but hormones and stress and illness and the ambient temp and the time of year etc... all have an impact. Generally we recommend testing just before eating a meal and then 2 hours afterwards. The food you eat causes your BG levels to go up and your body then responds by producing insulin to bring it down again. With diabetes that insulin response can be slow or not enough or your body can resist using the insulin, so your levels come back down more slowly than they should and perhaps don't come down far enough.
Carbohydrates break down very quickly and easily to release glucose into your blood stream and usually peak within that 2 hour period after eating and may be starting to come down at that point. You are looking to keep the rise in BG caused by the food to no more than 3 whole mmols more than your premeal reading at the 2 hour point. So if you were 7.2 before the meal and you went up to 10.8 two hours later you had more carbs than your body could cope with. If you work on reducing the carbs so that the rise is less than 3mmols, the premeal readings will gradually start to come down and eventually your levels will come down into the normal 4-7 premeal range..

Not sure how much you know about food and nutrition but there are 3 main food groups that we get nutrients and energy from...
Protein, Fat and Carbohydrates.
Many items of food contain more than one of these nutrients so meat and fish and eggs and cheese have almost no carbs and are mostly protein and fat. Grains and all the products made from grains (flour, bread, pasta, couscous, breakfast cereals etc) have a small amount of protein and fats but a lot of carbohydrate. Similarly potatoes and other below ground veg are higher in carbs and so is fruit because it contains fructose, a sugar, which is carbohydrate, so those are the foods that you need to restrict in order to control the height to which your BG spikes.

Exercise can cause your BG levels to go up or down. It depends on the type of exercise and how fit you are. Even if it pushes your levels higher in the short term, it will bring them down over the longer term. I usually find that it will lower my BG over the next 24 hours but the effect can last up to 48 hours, so exercise is good at helping manage diabetes but it can be confusing if you are looking for instant results and see a rise when you were hoping for a drop. Generally, low level exercise over about 40 mins will drop your levels.... a walk or gentle swim or bike ride.... that sort of thing. Exercise which causes muscle burn and sweat and heavy breathing will usually push levels up in real time, but be beneficial over the longer term. A combination of both can be really effective.

So looking at the foods you mention, toast and potato wedges are high carb foods, so those are the things that you would look at reducing the portion size if your levels increased by more than 3mmols 2 hours after eating them. So if you had 2 slices of toast, you could just have one but have more protein and fat with it..... so more cheese or eggs or meat or fish, but less bread and also incorporate some veg if you can, like some salad or leafy green veg or cauliflower. Or you could find a loaf of bread which has less carbs per slice. That might be a seeded wholemeal loaf. I know that a standard medium slice of wholemeal bread is about 15g carbs per slice (which is equivalent to about 3 spoons of sugar as far as your BG levels are concerned. Warburtons do a 400g wholemeal (No added sugar) loaf which is just 9g carbs per slice. Granted the slices are slightly smaller but still reasonable. So a sandwich made from 2 of those instead of 2 normal slices is only 18g carbs as oppose to 30g carbs, so you lost 1/3 of the carbs just by using a different bread for your sandwich.
I know that will all seem quite complicated at first, but once you start to look at the nutritional labels of the foods you buy (this will usually be in very small print on the back or side of the packet), start keeping a food diary and testing before and after meals and including those test results in your food diary, you will start to see how it all works and which foods cause you the most BG upheaval and that can be quite individual.

I hope most of that makes sense, but if not, let me know what you don't understand and will try to explain it better.

Having a clear and quite disciplined testing regime and keeping a food diary with your before and after results should help enormously.
Thank you once again for your extensive feedback I will work through the details which hopefully will assist me formulate a good plan to keep the reading in check and on target, based on the feedback recieved the food intake or incorrect level of carbs fat and Protein appear to be my most confusing issue thank you for taking the time in providing a comprehensive response
 
A BG of 11.1 is slightly out of range but could be a lot worse.
Thank you for your feedback much appreciated I’m just thankful the readings aren’t higher although based on all feedback a better more balanced diet may be the way forward
 
Thank you for your feedback much appreciated I’m just thankful the readings aren’t higher although based on all feedback a better more balanced diet may be the way forward
"Balanced" is a confusing word (as is "heathy"). What is currently considered a balanced and healthy diet by the NHS is a low fat diet with plenty of carbs (ideally wholemeal/brown versions) and fruit. To me balanced means equal. Low fat is not equal and there is no point in eating equal amounts of something that your body can't cope with.

I have absolutely no idea about how much fat and protein I eat and there are too many other interesting things to do than start worrying or counting them. What I do know is that the carbs count so I have to count them. After that my body seems to tell me what it wants and some days I might eat and enjoy a whole tray of belly pork (with veggies of course) and then not want any meat or fish or even eggs for several days afterwards. I do have fat every day though in the form of cream in my morning coffee and cheese features at least once every day. Usually a good Blue or a mature Cheddar or some feta. I have several vegetarian dishes that I really enjoy like cauliflower and halloumi curry or ratatouille with halloumi or mozzarella. Some days I have yoghurt seeds and berries for breakfast and a chunk of cheese and some olives in the evening and that is enough... No lunch and no dinner as such and I don't feel hungry and have plenty of energy. Tonight I had a pot of feta stuffed peppadew peppers and a tub of olives with feta.... about 20g carbs total in the peppers which is all I need to know.

I know some people fret about the other macronutrients they are getting and feel they need apps to record everything but for me, listening to my body seems to be the best way and mostly only eating when I am hungry which is now so much less often.

Everyone has to find a way that works for them but the idea of balanced and healthy are subjective.
 
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