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Lunch For Christmas

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Kaylz

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So saw my DSN and Dietician yesterday we spoke a little about Christmas Lunch - told not to include the turkey, brussel sprouts, garlic cloves, gravy or the sausagemeat stuffing from the butcher is this right?, it all adds up so I'm still unsure what to do any help would be greatly appreciated (sorry) x
 
No it isn't, we've said elsewhere, you can eat what you want and inject for the carbs. It's Christmas lunch after all, we all push the boat out a bit on that day. Or did she mean you not to bolus for them?
 
IMHO, from a not so humble T2, the only thing that would be on my radar is the gravy, you could check with the Butcher to see if breading is used as a filler in the sausage meat stuffing.
 
No it isn't, we've said elsewhere, you can eat what you want and inject for the carbs. It's Christmas lunch after all, we all push the boat out a bit on that day. Or did she mean you not to bolus for them?
Oh sorry I should have made myself more clear yeah the don't bolus for them x
 
Ah, well that makes more sense.
 
Ah, well that makes more sense.
Is that correct then, surely it can't be as all of it would add up to 10g or so surely x
 
Yes, but by the time you bolus for the roast spuds, and possibly parsnips too, you should have enough to cover the rest. There's a fair bit of fat in all that stuff which will slow the rise and you can always top up afterwards if it's needed. I'd inject for the Christmas pud seperately as well, if you're having any.
 
What do you mean seperately like finish my meal then take the other units just before my pud, my DSN said they were going to chat to me about that but they seemed like they were in a hurry to get me out the door yesterday so don't feel very comfortable at all x
 
What do you mean seperately like finish my meal then take the other units just before my pud, my DSN said they were going to chat to me about that but they seemed like they were in a hurry to get me out the door yesterday so don't feel very comfortable at all x
Yes, basically. If you're having an extended meal, bolusing for the whole lot before you start might result in the insulin getting into your system before it's needed, and sending you hypo between courses. You can treat first course and pud as two separate meals if they're going to take a longer while to eat than usual, and Bolus for first course, eat it, then Bolus for pudding just before you eat that.
 
Yes, basically. If you're having an extended meal, bolusing for the whole lot before you start might result in the insulin getting into your system before it's needed, and sending you hypo between courses. You can treat first course and pud as two separate meals if they're going to take a longer while to eat than usual, and Bolus for first course, eat it, then Bolus for pudding just before you eat that.
Ah right ok would i test again between courses x
 
Ah right ok would i test again between courses x
It depends! Because you've got an all singing all dancing glucose meter that will calculate how much insulin on board, etc, it might be worth doing that. I've got a plain old fashioned basic one, and do the calculations in my head, so I'd ignore my current glucose level, and just do a bolus for the number of carbs in the pud.
 
It depends! Because you've got an all singing all dancing glucose meter that will calculate how much insulin on board, etc, it might be worth doing that. I've got a plain old fashioned basic one, and do the calculations in my head, so I'd ignore my current glucose level, and just do a bolus for the number of carbs in the pud.
I will try the testing between I think x
 
I'd defo do a separate jab - mince pies and Xmas pud are HUGELY carborific so if you were to jab including that before your whole meal you'd quite likely fall off your chair hypo before you'd finished your dinner. Well - I would anyway - I mean it's roast beef this year (none of us is that keen on Turkey TBH) so there will be small individual Yorkshires(I only have 1, so 5g) small chunks of potato roasted (so about 2 make 10g, I usually have 4 or 5 of them, say 25g) and sorry No 1 daughter the trained chef, but honestly her roast parsnips aren't the best - all crisped up and no soft inside cos she cuts em too thin for my liking - so I'll have just two or three probably but being so 'well done' they aren't such high carb so that's only another 10g at most. (Just one piece done as I like it done, would be 10g on its own!) (and I'd have at least two!) None of the other veg (at least sprouts, carrots and peas) have that much carb anyway - cos with enough roasties I certainly won't bother putting any boring mash on there thanks - a few in the carrots but with everything else on my plate, I'll want one tablespoonful at the most. Not that much in gravy really TBH - we all like 'coating' gravy and you don't have like a half pint of it!

We often find we need a rest between dinner and pud anyway cos my daughter's dinners are pretty huge all in all - PLUS she always does a starter - this year it's a slice of melon and antipasti with all sorts of meats including parma ham. So you're usually ready for a bit of a rest by that time anyway. And what I add for the melon entirely depends on how thin she cuts the slices doesn't it? Will she use a whole Honeydew melon for 6 of us or just half? Doesn't matter really - about 15g if it's a sixth of half, or 30g if it's a sixth of the whole one - unless it's a small Ogen melon to start with which would proportionately make the values just a bit smaller.

Hence - assuming my BG is around 5 or 6 somewhere before I start, I'll jab after the starter and before I load my plate with my dinner once the veg dishes appear on the table so I can see how big the individual bits are and assess how many/much of each I'll put on my plate. That insulin will need to start dealing with the melon cos that will have got there by the time the insulin starts being of any use and that will keep it busy till the contents of the main course starts turning up.

Crème brulee is on the menu again by popular request so my one will be about 10g but I understand there will also be a (cold) chocolate mousse appearing and if I like the look of it and decide to have some I'll have to discuss the contents with herself. However - she'll more than likely calculate the carbs for me herself while she's making it if I know her! They learned all the things like nutritional values in ingredients and therefore complete recipes and complete meals etc at catering college in those days of course (just as you had to then to get your Cookery O level) and I should imagine the photographic memory comes in pretty useful for stuff like that, shouldn't you? LOL God alone knows who she inherited that gene from!
 
Ruddy complicated business isn't it? LOL.
 
I'd defo do a separate jab - mince pies and Xmas pud are HUGELY carborific so if you were to jab including that before your whole meal you'd quite likely fall off your chair hypo before you'd finished your dinner. Well - I would anyway - I mean it's roast beef this year (none of us is that keen on Turkey TBH) so there will be small individual Yorkshires(I only have 1, so 5g) small chunks of potato roasted (so about 2 make 10g, I usually have 4 or 5 of them, say 25g) and sorry No 1 daughter the trained chef, but honestly her roast parsnips aren't the best - all crisped up and no soft inside cos she cuts em too thin for my liking - so I'll have just two or three probably but being so 'well done' they aren't such high carb so that's only another 10g at most. (Just one piece done as I like it done, would be 10g on its own!) (and I'd have at least two!) None of the other veg (at least sprouts, carrots and peas) have that much carb anyway - cos with enough roasties I certainly won't bother putting any boring mash on there thanks - a few in the carrots but with everything else on my plate, I'll want one tablespoonful at the most. Not that much in gravy really TBH - we all like 'coating' gravy and you don't have like a half pint of it!

We often find we need a rest between dinner and pud anyway cos my daughter's dinners are pretty huge all in all - PLUS she always does a starter - this year it's a slice of melon and antipasti with all sorts of meats including parma ham. So you're usually ready for a bit of a rest by that time anyway. And what I add for the melon entirely depends on how thin she cuts the slices doesn't it? Will she use a whole Honeydew melon for 6 of us or just half? Doesn't matter really - about 15g if it's a sixth of half, or 30g if it's a sixth of the whole one - unless it's a small Ogen melon to start with which would proportionately make the values just a bit smaller.

Hence - assuming my BG is around 5 or 6 somewhere before I start, I'll jab after the starter and before I load my plate with my dinner once the veg dishes appear on the table so I can see how big the individual bits are and assess how many/much of each I'll put on my plate. That insulin will need to start dealing with the melon cos that will have got there by the time the insulin starts being of any use and that will keep it busy till the contents of the main course starts turning up.

Crème brulee is on the menu again by popular request so my one will be about 10g but I understand there will also be a (cold) chocolate mousse appearing and if I like the look of it and decide to have some I'll have to discuss the contents with herself. However - she'll more than likely calculate the carbs for me herself while she's making it if I know her! They learned all the things like nutritional values in ingredients and therefore complete recipes and complete meals etc at catering college in those days of course (just as you had to then to get your Cookery O level) and I should imagine the photographic memory comes in pretty useful for stuff like that, shouldn't you? LOL God alone knows who she inherited that gene from!

I need this woman as my personal chef! :D Aren't you the lucky one!
 
You can't have her - at the moment she belongs to Messrs M & B for work. Do you happen to live that near to Rugby anyway? LOL

Oh BTW - she's absolutely excellent at sorting the staff's Type I out for them - she's had mega success with the first one that kept going hypo and couldn't understand it and at the same time taken the ongoing education of the staff in hand so now they both always get proper help with hypos instead of just giving them a full pint of freezing cold Coke and leaving them in a corner to 'sort themselves out' - now they are immediately supplied with half a glass of OJ and NOT left alone until their BG has responded sufficiently whether they are in the middle of service for 300 covers at weekend or whatever! - she told the management they NEEDED to give any T1s sufficient time off to attend DAFNE and the rest of the staff would just have to have heir shifts altered around him so tough - and the first one turned his control round completely and applied for a pump - which he is now very firmly attached to. The second one's only just started - so she hasn't got going on him yet! Oh and she's BIG too and also LOUD - I wouldn't cross her! But then I've never needed or wanted to, though I'm quite happy to tell her when she's out of line - or I think she's potty - and she me - because we are MATES so we can.

And all this with only slight prompting and advice on queries from me. We both attend the same hospital clinic but have never actually met each other!
 
Splitting the bolus is definitely the key to happiness on Christmas Day if you intend to do pudding/dessert justice. I'd inject very modestly for potatoes, parsnips etc and then inject for the pudding separately. Two reasons really, the first is if you inject all at once you need to eat it all pretty quickly because puddings are slow to digest and that kind of spoils the whole relaxed Christmas vibe for me. Secondly I'm not a massive eater so if I were to truffle a big roast dinner I wouldn't know how much pudding I'd be able to manage to shove in :D and since the roast is of no interest to me I like to do the pudding justice!

I don't really do Christmas roast coz I don't like it so I tend to spread my food consumption throughought the day, which will include some chocolate orange, and cheese and crackers...yum 🙂 ooh and panettone. Actually breakfast today might involve panettone now I've mentioned it because I'm very susceptible to suggestion 🙂
 
Just for that one blow out of the year i am not going to worry about anything but i too won't go metal for the hell of it.
 
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