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beck

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Well, I have just bought my first home and am researching life insurance. It turns out, no only do I have this stupid condition but now I have to pay more for insurance 😡😡

Anyway, my HbA1c is now 5.8 and Im hoping the doc will stop my metformin soon. If Im no longer technically 'diabetic' will I be able to get cheaper insurance? Or am I stuck with the label for ever? :(

Any advice would be very welcome.
 
Bumping this in the hope someone can help Beck. If no-one answers, I'd suggest contacting Diabetes UK Careline, as it's a very specific legal issue, and they may know of companies that view the situation more favourably. Be aware that the charity has commercial links with some insurance companies, so may mention them first.
 
I had a similar problem when we changed our mortgage from endowment, which I took out before I was diagnosed, to repayment. Even though it was with the same building society it was classed as a new application.
I contacted Diabetes UK and they passed me on to a couple of helpful insurance companies

Most people use the insurance company offered by the mortgage lender when they take out their mortgage, but you don't have to. You can shop around for better deals, or for insurance providers that are willing to insure diabetics

You might find it's a case of having to pay more for insurance, or having none, and therefore not being able to get a mortgage. Whether they will relax if you improve in future is up to the individual provider.
 
There are many, many factors affecting premiums for life cover, and certainly your diabetes will be taken into account when assessing the company's risk of paying out. That's what it's all about. As a diabetic, we all understand there is a statistically higher chance of certain things cropping up, down the line.

I don't know when you were diagnosed, but a short track record doesn't give the Life House much to go on, to assess your personal risk factors, whereas someone diagnosed longer may have more of a track record, but not great control. It's all a sliding scale of intangibles and predictions.

Secondly, well done on the great HbA1c. You are right to believe it returns a score under the diabetic thresholds. From extensive discussions with my GP (mainly about my lipids, but that's a whole different story!), it is clear there are no current definitions for those who have achieved what we have. My HbA1cs since diagnosis have been as follows:
October 13: 73 or 8.8% (How did that happen?)
February 14: 37 or 5.5%
May 14: 34 or 5.3%
August 14: 32 or 5.1%
November 14: 33 or 5.1%

There are no guidelines currently for another classification of diabetic state, or formal recognition of any reversal/remission or non-diabetic control. So, how your GP expresses your condition is up to him or her.

If you are still researching, please ensure you are talking to an advisor who can approach more than one company, as not all underwriters will view any given risk the same. Company guidelines differ, and so on.

For a few years now, it has been illegal to stipulate life cover as a condition of a mortgage offer. It is legal to insist on buildings cover, but not life cover. Depending on your circumstances, it may make absolute sense to have life cover, but if you are single, without dependent a, it may be superfluous to your financial need. You may want it, but you may not reeeaally need it, if you understand what I'm saying.

If you are single, without dependants, then Critical Illness cover can be much more valuable, but that can be somewhat tricky for diabetics, although I would ask about it. The difference is for life cover to pay out, you have to die, within the term of the policy. For critical illness cover to pay out, you must be diagnosed with, but survive for a short period, with a critical illness. The usual examples are cancer, heart attack or stroke, although most policies cover more than that.

Looking forward, and if life cover is appropriate to your needs, you will always have the option to apply for life cover. It would be u nderwritten, based on your health and medical history, at the time of the application, so if either premium rates reduce, or there is positive clarity for diabetics achieving non-diabetic HbA1c for a while, our classification may change. Provided you did not cancel any existing cover until any new application was approved at preferential terms, you would have nothing to lose by trying.

That's a very long post, which may not be completely clear, but if you have any further queries, please ask.

For the avoidance of doubt; I am not a financial advisor, and am not authorised by any regulatory body to give advice, so remarks made are my opinion, based on a number of years working in various companies, including a significant stint working with life underwriters, and leading a change programme for Mortgage regulation.

Good luck with it all. It's a minefield at the best of times, never mind adding diabetes to the mix.
 
Thank you so much for all the info and advice. I am speaking to a couple of different advisors, one of them being from diabetes.org

And i must apologise for my stroppy first post. I was just so annoyed that I would have to pay so much more, I needed a bit of a rant!

Thanks again, I will keep you posted on the outcome.
 
Oh dear

oh dear it never occurred to me that I need to tell insurance company good job I read this lol
 
Hayth - If you already have the cover, you don't need to tell them. The risk is underwritten at the outset, then once terms are agreed, and the contract starts (you pay a premium), they cannot usually alter the terms of the contract.

Instances where they can are on contracts allowing requested increases in cover, which need to be underwritten at the point of the increase.

For contracts with "reviewable premium" (as opposed to "guaranteed premium") rates, the premiums can increase, at certain points of the contract Usually 10 years, then every few years thereafter), the increase is based on your health at the outset, not when the review takes place.

If it makes you feel better Hayth, you could call them, but I'd be astonished if they were in the least interested.
 
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