Junior doctors' contract set to be imposed, says Hunt

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Ministers are to impose a contract on junior doctors in England after a final offer was rejected by the British Medical Association.

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said he had been left with no choice after the union refused to compromise.

He said the final deal rejected on Wednesday was an "important step" to improving care at weekends.

Chief negotiator Sir David Dalton had advised ministers to do "whatever necessary" to end the deadlock.

The advice was made in a letter following the BMA decision to reject a "take-it-or-leave-it" deal on Wednesday, which included a concession on Saturday pay.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35548091

I'd have to ban myself if I said what I thought about this man 😡 :(
 
It's OK Alan - cos all of us would be banned too.

I'm deeply shocked all in all.

Goodbye, NHS.
 
Hunt sure is stupid, what's he going to do if they all resign? I doubt the army will be able to provide cover this time.
 
trophywench said:
It's OK Alan - cos all of us would be banned too.

I'm deeply shocked all in all.

Goodbye, NHS.
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Indeed :( He has had to do this because he wouldn't then have been able to tackle the consultants, nurses and other staff who are now going to be put in the same situation. I wouldn't be surprised if he is getting some sort of backhander for pushing this through - perhaps a knighthood, for 'services rendered in the destruction of the health service' :(
 
Pumper_Sue said:
Hunt sure is stupid, what's he going to do if they all resign? I doubt the army will be able to provide cover this time.
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He's certainly done absolutely zilch to attract the best people into the NHS, and his absolute damnedest to drive people out of it :( And for what? So people can have an ingrowing toenail removed on a Saturday? If you want a full 7-day service, find the money to fund it instead of producing an impossible situation and trying to blame it on the extremely hard-working staff by making out they are being greedy :(
 
Something tells me there will be a lot of junior doctors switching careers as a result of this. I'm sure it's no accident that man's name rhymes with a word beginning with C.
 
AlisonM said:
Something tells me there will be a lot of junior doctors switching careers as a result of this. I'm sure it's no accident that man's name rhymes with a word beginning with C.
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Nor would it be an accident if someone were to describe him as such 😱

Looks like you might be getting a lot of new doctors up there in Scotland, Alison - and over in Wales and Northern Ireland, and Canada, and Australia, and the US... :(
 
Lucky us!
 
... and New Zealand .......

I also read today that the Surgeons are up in arms - there is already a shortage thereof and apparently the same Mr Schunt has already cut surgical training places by 15% ........
 
trophywench said:
... and New Zealand .......

I also read today that the Surgeons are up in arms - there is already a shortage thereof and apparently the same Mr Schunt has already cut surgical training places by 15% ........
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Yep there is a national shortage of ENT surgeons and the main hospital for my area has closed down that dept and transferred all cases to a regional unit.
 
Have you seen his face in interviews though, he knows he made a right mess. Thing is they've got the doctors in a proper corner now, they either accept poorer work and conditions or they lose their training contracts. Nasty stuff this, won't wnd well no matter what now. They really are hell bent on destroying the NHS aren't they.
 
What bugs me is him saying that the 7-day NHS was in the manifesto. Just putting something in a manifesto doesn't make it happen, you need to work out how you are going to fund and resource it - there has been absolutely no attempt to increase funding or resources fr this, just stretch out the existing, overstretched, situation. He can't possibly believe in what he is saying, which makes him the worst kind of person in my book :(
 
I've met many people like him before, usually people who don't understand the basics of effecting change. They have committed themselves to a seven day a week NHS and now have to deliver it or they fail, they've also committed to reduce NHS over spends. The only possible way they can do that is to reduce the salary of the workers. They can't waltz in and say we're reducing your pay by 20% so instead they normalise "overtime". Knowing full well that this means the doctors will work as many hours in reality (they'll have to because there aren't enough doctors) and get paid less. That happened where I used to work, it went bust, but only after most of the good people abandoned ship. If they were serious about "protecting" patients they'd put a hard limit on the number of hours a person can work. They won't do that though because then the figures wouldn't stack up. the sad thing is there are enough people out there who'll look at a doctors salary and think on that money they should be working 80 hours a week, they wouldn't be saying that when they're rotting on a ward from lack of care because the Doctor is having a breakdown or suffering from sleep psychosis in the next ward I suspect, but people are easily whipped up by big numbers and silly statistics. Personally I like my medical folk, engaged, not frazzled and embittered, call me over cautious, but if I'm letting someone slice me open and grab an internal organ or two, I much prefer they've had a decent sleep and are generally happy with life.

The NHS is a beast and often an inefficient one at that, there are efficiencies to be made most definitely, but it needs actual work. I maintain my stance that it should be governed outside of the political agenda of any party. Short termism is not a strategy that will work with that machine because it needs addressing in a more considered and long term way. The lack of technological integration is a massive issue, as is the hierarchical structure of the doctors and whilst I'm ranting so is the ridiculous structure of the nursing profession (we'll make you do a degree, but you can't draw blood unless you're trained to do it, but we'll employ phlebotomists who have no qualifications and two days training...hmm sensible). Patients are not clients and doctors, nurses, HCAs, clerks, radiographers and everyone else who works in the NHS are not machines. We don't want machines we want actual caring individuals who are invested in making things better. Rant done for now.
 
This makes me so angry and I agree with all the comments I have read on here. 'They' are trying to run the NHS into the ground and it's interesting that so many of the MPs have friends who work for private health companies who are willing to provide a service to us all at an extortionate cost to us.
In my work I am out and about in different NHS and health environments - I see great people drained and feeling low and despondent, I see people who are tired and yet still tirelessly keep on working, I see people who are worried about their jobs, worried about the places they work in, yet still see them working and trying to do the best they can in such awful conditions and knowing that in reality nothing much will change for the better.

I even wrote to David C at one point in the past asking why he felt able to freeze my annual pay rise for the third year running and was told it was to help the "economy of the country" and it was my "duty as an NHS worker" to ensure I accepted the way it was as it was for the "good of us all"...this stuck in my throat as I read about the ridiculous pay rises the MPs received, of course, along with their expenses 😉

The trouble is, myself and many of my colleagues are in our jobs, not because of the money (I certainly don't get much of it!) but because we care.
We still go on caring.
We just hope everyone else carries on caring too.

Moan over! 🙄
 
My 8 days in hospital at diagnosis opened my eyes to what hard work and commitment really meant, you CANNOT compare the work that doctors and nurses do with working in ASDA on a Saturday afternoon, which is what Hunt has been trying to do. He knows damn well he is being totally insincere in every statement he makes and should be ashamed for the remainder of his life for such hypocrisy and deception :(
 
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