ive another question that might be daft

[Dizzydi]

Could running high bs make me lose weight?

I've lost 2 kilo in about 10 days - without actually doing anything. My normally tight bs have been terrible just before tea and then after. I tried increasing Mr novorapid by 1 unit two evenings but ended up with bs in the 2's.

 

[Freddie99]

Yes it can as the glucose that would be absorbed because there is adequate quantities of insulin isn't absorbed. I spent most of my life prior to learning to carb count with awfully controlled diabetes which meant I didn't gain weight readily. To put it in perspective I was a skinny seventy kilos just after I'd left college two years ago with uncontrolled D. Now after two years of well controlled D I'm eighty six kilos. That's because the carbs in my food were properly absorbed thanks to the insulin being bang on (most of the time). My food is now properly used as opposed to being wasted when I wasn't carb counting or pumping. I wish I was a damn slight lighter now but running the higher BGs just isn't worth it.

Tom

 

[Dizzydi]

Thanks tom that makes sense, I'm not normally high at all, morning bs are generally 4-5 where's as now 5.5 - 6 I know not outrageous. But evenings no more than 7 but currently 11+. Not like me at all and I don't know why ? Unless it is lack of exercise .

I was 68.8 kilo now down to 66 in 10 days

 

[C*5_Dodger]

Could running high bs make me lose weight?

I've lost 2 kilo in about 10 days - without actually doing anything. My normally tight bs have been terrible just before tea and then after. I tried increasing Mr novorapid by 1 unit two evenings but ended up with bs in the 2's.

Dear Di,

I think TomH is correct.

Yes it can as the glucose that would be absorbed because there is adequate quantities of insulin isn't absorbed. I spent most of my life prior to learning to carb count with awfully controlled diabetes which meant I didn't gain weight readily. To put it in perspective I was a skinny seventy kilos just after I'd left college two years ago with uncontrolled D. Now after two years of well controlled D I'm eighty six kilos. That's because the carbs in my food were properly absorbed thanks to the insulin being bang on (most of the time). My food is now properly used as opposed to being wasted when I wasn't carb counting or pumping. I wish I was a damn slight lighter now but running the higher BGs just isn't worth it.

Tom



Today 01:47 PM

Dear Tom,

I know little about T1 but would not lowering your carb intake mean lower insulin requirements which would in turn mean lower weight? After all its excess high GI carbs that cause high insulin levels and insulin resistance in non diabetics. The high insulin traps fat in the fat cells causing weight gain!


Regards Dodger

 

[Freddie99]

Dodger,

Lowering carb intake would reduce weight over a lengthy period of time. You'd require less insulin with meals due to a reduced carb intake as insulin is needed for the metabolism of carbohydrate. However, a reduced dose of basal insulin might not be appropriate as an induvidual's needs for a basal insulin can be influenced by so much. A reduced amount of insulin across the board could well do more harm than good in terms of raised BGs. I am lucky to have escaped relatively unscathed from years of bad D management. Others have not been so lucky.

Tom

 

[Freddie99]

Thanks tom that makes sense, I'm not normally high at all, morning bs are generally 4-5 where's as now 5.5 - 6 I know not outrageous. But evenings no more than 7 but currently 11+. Not like me at all and I don't know why ? Unless it is lack of exercise .

I was 68.8 kilo now down to 66 in 10 days

I'd call waking up in the seven's a good day. Is there any change in routine that you're experiencing? Sometimes it can be really small things. For example I've just finished a stint of night shifts. During the daytime when I was sleeping I required alot more insulin in terms of basal because my body wasn't used to sleeping in the day time. During my night shifts I required slightly less insulin as I wasn't doing what my body expected me to be doing.

Tom

 

[C*5_Dodger]

Dodger,

Lowering carb intake would reduce weight over a lengthy period of time. You'd require less insulin with meals due to a reduced carb intake as insulin is needed for the metabolism of carbohydrate. However, a reduced dose of basal insulin might not be appropriate as an induvidual's needs for a basal insulin can be influenced by so much. A reduced amount of insulin across the board could well do more harm than good in terms of raised BGs. I am lucky to have escaped relatively unscathed from years of bad D management. Others have not been so lucky.

Tom

Dear Tom,

I understand your point of view - you clearly now have excellent control. I was suggesting that you could, by being careful, exercise that excellent control at a lower average carb level - it surely will work at a modestly lower carb level, and that's all that may be required! Surely, it isn't a foregone conclusion that all T1s suffer an increase in weight. Anyway, what do I know!

Regards Dodger

 

[Dizzydi]

I'd call waking up in the seven's a good day. Is there any change in routine that you're experiencing? Sometimes it can be really small things. For example I've just finished a stint of night shifts. During the daytime when I was sleeping I required alot more insulin in terms of basal because my body wasn't used to sleeping in the day time. During my night shifts I required slightly less insulin as I wasn't doing what my body expected me to be doing.

Tom

Hi tom, not changed any of my routins. I did move back home 2 weeks ago after being at ma & pa huxleys for 8 weeks.

Maybe it's the naughty d devil playing up and d fairy is on holiday 😛

 

[Freddie99]

Hi tom, not changed any of my routins. I did move back home 2 weeks ago after being at ma & pa huxleys for 8 weeks.

Maybe it's the naughty d devil playing up and d fairy is on holiday 😛

One thing that you never stop learning is that the D will always f*ck you around at the slightest opportunity.

 

[shiv]

However, a reduced dose of basal insulin might not be appropriate as an induvidual's needs for a basal insulin can be influenced by so much. A reduced amount of insulin across the board could well do more harm than good in terms of raised BGs.

I think Dodger just meant basically eating less and thus having less insulin that way, not just hacking off a load of basal - which as you point out is very dangerous.

 

[C*5_Dodger]

I think Dodger just meant basically eating less and thus having less insulin that way, not just hacking off a load of basal - which as you point out is very dangerous.

Dear Shiv,

You are absolutely correct! I've always had trouble expressing myself properly in English and so try to construct my posts very carefully - clearly it deosn't always work!

Warmest Regards Dodger

 

[chrismbee]

All sensible stuff here:
Yes, running high blood sugars can result in weight loss, as the body breaks down fat reserves to get energy. Potentially dangerous side affect is the creation of ketones as a by product.
Importantly, your body doesn't make use of the sugar in the blood, leaving high BS concentrations, which leads to a myriad of complications, as organs try to cope with elevated levels.
Yes, eating less carbohydrate can also result in weight loss as the body breaks down fat reserves to release additional energy. Slightly different from above, when assuming that adequate insulin is present to properly absorb what sugar is there. Of course, the less sugar that makes it into the blood (much of it derived from carbohydrates), the less insulin that you should need - at least, that's the simple theory! In practice, there are so many competing processes going on that the only, surefire way to gauge how much insulin is actually required is to monitor BS.
Fats are complex, as there are many forms, affecting the body in many ways. Having said that, a "low fat" diet can help to reduce the amount of fat that the body stores, helping to reduce weight gain.
The best way to lose weight is by sticking to a nutitionally-balanced diet, matching energy intake to body requirements - easier said than done, of course! 😱
I'd hate anybody to take offence at this simplistic theory, as I have deliberately avoided other complicating factors that beset people in differing ways, making weight control/loss such a complex (and emotive) issue.
The important message is to do what you can to stay healthy!

 

[Dizzydi]

All sensible stuff here:
Yes, running high blood sugars can result in weight loss, as the body breaks down fat reserves to get energy. Potentially dangerous side affect is the creation of ketones as a by product.
Importantly, your body doesn't make use of the sugar in the blood, leaving high BS concentrations, which leads to a myriad of complications, as organs try to cope with elevated levels.
Yes, eating less carbohydrate can also result in weight loss as the body breaks down fat reserves to release additional energy. Slightly different from above, when assuming that adequate insulin is present to properly absorb what sugar is there. Of course, the less sugar that makes it into the blood (much of it derived from carbohydrates), the less insulin that you should need - at least, that's the simple theory! In practice, there are so many competing processes going on that the only, surefire way to gauge how much insulin is actually required is to monitor BS.
Fats are complex, as there are many forms, affecting the body in many ways. Having said that, a "low fat" diet can help to reduce the amount of fat that the body stores, helping to reduce weight gain.
The best way to lose weight is by sticking to a nutitionally-balanced diet, matching energy intake to body requirements - easier said than done, of course! 😱
I'd hate anybody to take offence at this simplistic theory, as I have deliberately avoided other complicating factors that beset people in differing ways, making weight control/loss such a complex (and emotive) issue.
The important message is to do what you can to stay healthy!

Thanks Chrismbee - this all makes sense. Normally I have such good BS and have a very low sat fat diet etc. Maybe it is just the recent lack of physical activity on my part - who knows maybe the next few weeks will show a dramatic improvement now I am back out on my bike..... if not It will be question time with my consultant in Sept !!

The other question is should I really test for ketones ? This has never been mentioned to me at all by my medical team, but I presume I would know if I had them?