If Covid-19 is a seasonal virus, why is it spreading during the summer?

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There is a paradox at the heart of Sars-Cov-2 transmission that has yet to be fully explored. While it’s firmly established that the virus transmits best in winter, in common with most other respiratory viruses, the UK is currently experiencing a summer surge. There have also been major Covid-19 epidemic waves in regions such as South America and India outside winter. Why is this?

From the beginning of the pandemic, one major question was to what extent Covid would display a seasonal behaviour with higher case numbers in winter. Most respiratory viruses in circulation, including the flu and the four endemic coronaviruses contributing to “common colds”, display strong seasonal patterns, with most infections happening in winter in each hemisphere.

The mechanisms behind this seasonality are complex and not fully understood. They include the direct effect of climatic variables: enveloped RNA viruses, such as Covid-19, survive best in cold, dry air and under low UV light exposure. There is also a major host behavioural component, with humans tending to spend more time in close contact in poorly ventilated spaces during winter.

Yet, a virus being seasonal does not imply it is unable to transmit at certain times of the year, as long as conditions are otherwise favourable for its spread. To best understand this, we must consider seasonality as just one of four major factors driving transmission. The other three factors are host behaviour, viral evolution and rates of immunisation in the population, provided by prior exposure to the pathogen and/or vaccination.

 
The other anomaly at the moment is an outbreak of Norovirus, or Winter Vomiting disease as it is known. Causes chaos with the old diabetes control for T1s speaking from experience. No vaccine for that.


The delta variant has symptoms very similar to Hayfever. Hayfever is very prominent during summer.
So your point is what? Of course Hayfever occurs in summer. A virus doesn’t know what season it is. And hayfever doesn’t make you feel ill.
 
Norovirus is awful. The sooner that get a safe, effective vaccine the better. I think at least one is in trials.
 
The trouble with Norovirus is that no lasting immunity arises after infection. That’s the challenge with a vaccine for it.

Infection is pretty awful, but brief. As long as you keep a bucket next to the loo to vomit into while pooing for a day or so, that’s your lot. Once the acute symptoms pass, you’re infectious for another 48 hours, then normal life can resume. In those respects, it’s only marginally worse than a bad hangover.
 
You must have had some really bad hangovers @mikeyB :D

So, if they did find a vaccine, would it have to be an annual thing?
 
.... well that will depend on how well such vaccine happens to work.
 
You must have had some really bad hangovers @mikeyB :D

So, if they did find a vaccine, would it have to be an annual thing?
No, it would have to be around three monthly for continuous cover. Or just before the Norovirus season, which is usually winter, similar to the fluvax.
 
No, it would have to be around three monthly for continuous cover. Or just before the Norovirus season, which is usually winter, similar to the fluvax.

Thanks @mikeyB Last time I had Norovirus I felt so ill I would happily have paid for a vaccine. That doesn’t sound so good though.
 
its because of the delta variant - it’s an indian summer
 
The trouble with Norovirus is that no lasting immunity arises after infection. That’s the challenge with a vaccine for it.

Infection is pretty awful, but brief. As long as you keep a bucket next to the loo to vomit into while pooing for a day or so, that’s your lot. Once the acute symptoms pass, you’re infectious for another 48 hours, then normal life can resume. In those respects, it’s only marginally worse than a bad hangover.
Mikey-The Aussies have a saying; "chunder **** combo" they really are very poetic bunch our Antipodean friends.........
 
You must have had some really bad hangovers @mikeyB :D

So, if they did find a vaccine, would it have to be an annual thing?
He isn't an orphan-how do you think I got my nickname?
 
Mikey-The Aussies have a saying; "chunder **** combo" they really are very poetic bunch our Antipodean friends.........

I love the Aussie expressions and being a week into ghastly gastroenteritis, I really appreciate that description! 😛 (nearly as much as I appreciate them throwing Katie Hopkins out!).
 
I love the Aussie expressions and being a week into ghastly gastroenteritis, I really appreciate that description! 😛 (nearly as much as I appreciate them throwing Katie Hopkins out!).
They should of stuck her on that remote pacific island they use for illegal immigrants and left her there
 
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