How teenagers ended up operating crucial parts of England’s test and trace system

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The government has created an opaque and unmanageable hybrid system of public and private provision, in which favoured corporations have received vast contracts without competition, advertising or even penalty clauses. Public health, reorganised in the midst of the pandemic to give even greater control to Harding and her chums, is in semi-privatised meltdown.

But that isn’t even the half of it. I’ve been talking to someone working on test and trace in a call centre subcontracted to Serco. I’ve confirmed their identity and job, but to protect their position, the worker wants to remain anonymous. Here’s what this person told me.

Until last week, the workers at the call centre were doing the simplest job in the tracing chain, calling those who have been identified as contacts of infected people and telling them to isolate themselves for 14 days, giving them some scripted advice and collecting a small amount of data. But last week, the call centre announced that all the workers on this contract were being “upskilled”. Instead of making these simple calls, they would now be calling infected patients and discovering all their contacts over the past fortnight. To use the official terms, they have suddenly been promoted from level 3 call handlers to level 2 clinical contact caseworkers.

In its advertisements for this job, the NHS explains applicants must be at Clinician Band 6 level, who will be working as part of a team of “experienced clinicians”. You must have a health or science degree or “demonstrable equivalent experience or qualifications”; experience in “a field related to public health or health and social care services as a practitioner” and “registration with the relevant professional body”. Among your tasks are “conducting a public health risk assessment”, “providing public health advice” and “using your clinical knowledge to help escalate complex cases”. Anyone accepted for this role would be “provided with appropriate training”.


" When I asked Serco to explain the decision to turn level 3 call centre workers into skilled contact tracers, it told me the instruction came from the government, so I should address my questions to the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC). The department confirmed that it had made the decision. "

Disgusting state of affairs :(
 
I have just read this on Twittwer , it is a disgrace. I wonder if any of these people have had the checks staff who work in the NHS have to have!
 
Geebus ...
 
Pretty sure the answer would be 'no'

Worse, it's likely that the government doesn't know (since Serco is subcontracting all of this and probably not telling the government exactly who to) or care. So long as Serco ticks the boxes on the forms saying that their subcontractors have ticked the boxes saying everyone they employ (whether directly or through yet more chains of subcontractors) has the right skills and has passed the appropriate checks, that'll be OK.
 
Worse, it's likely that the government doesn't know (since Serco is subcontracting all of this and probably not telling the government exactly who to) or care. So long as Serco ticks the boxes on the forms saying that their subcontractors have ticked the boxes saying everyone they employ (whether directly or through yet more chains of subcontractors) has the right skills and has passed the appropriate checks, that'll be OK.
No, the article says that Serco said the government instructed them to do this :(
 
To me the most disturbing thing in the Monbiot piece was the assertion that the money given to Serco test and trace exceeds the annual budget for funding the GP system. If it is true, and Monbiot is usually very assiduous when it comes to checking that sort of thing, that simple statement puts into stark relief the monumental size of the test and trace cockup.
 
To me the most disturbing thing in the Monbiot piece was the assertion that the money given to Serco test and trace exceeds the annual budget for funding the GP system. If it is true, and Monbiot is usually very assiduous when it comes to checking that sort of thing, that simple statement puts into stark relief the monumental size of the test and trace cockup.
It really is a stupendous amount of (public) money. I think people are so used to hearing these huge numbers bandied about that they no longer realise the enormity of the sums being discussed :( Relating it to the GP system gives a better appreciation than the bare number :( It's also a classic diversionary tactic from the government - when pressed on anything they always come up with some huge number - lately it's been the number of people being tested and traced. Sounds impressive in the millions, but if the results are coming back late, the contacts aren't being traced, and those who are being traced aren't isolating then the number of tests performed is empty of meaning in a practical sense :(
 
sorry to sound like a conspiracy nut in my first post but all of this seems like 'legal' corruption worthy of so called third nations, hundreds of million, billions even thrown about like confetti, 'management consultants' on £7000 or so a day ?? what do they do for such hollywood star type money? who creates the contracts ? furloughs ? who is checking that all the people businesses are claiming money for are actually real? i would risk betting my little local government pension payment that fraud is taking place on an industrial scale, rant over back to diabetes !!
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lot of perjorative language in here and anecdote... Harding and her chums, think that should read 'Baroness Harding' also when quoting a source one should always use inverted commas or acknowledge the source,

it is all too easy to carp from the sidelines, but I do not think for one moment that Public Health England could have done a better or cheaper job in the time available and I work in the nhs so should know how inefficient it is.

would welcome this forum to be relatively restricted to issues pertinent to the millions of patients with diabetes and their complications rather than being a sounding board for the Guardian sympathisers and left leaning journos.
 
What's wrong with left leaning journos? Right leaning journos are just as critical of the government in their handling of the pandemic. And if you think this pandemic is not an issue which is pertinent to the millions with diabetes, you are a bit out of step.

And Public Health England did offer to do the test and trace right at the beginning, but the government ignored them, never gave them the chance to use their already established skills. That's what happened in Scotland, and their track and test system hasn't been overwhelmed. Works rather well. The ludicrously expensive English system doesn't work, and never will.

And i defer to no-one. Dido Harding was given a baronetcy. She didn't earn it. Her CV shows how bad a manager she is. I suppose it helps if your husband is a Tory MP who wants to privatise the NHS.
 
this just reminds me of the assessment system with atos, money chucked to them out of fashion, very poor performance, treating claimants badly, staff acting shamefully and a government turning a blind eye and they are still getting away with it.
 
Mikey B you obviously have a political axe to grind,

everyone who becomes a baron/ess is given it after all,
Dido Harding may or may not deserve it any more than, for example, Ian Botham or any of the others and there are probably too many in the HoL as well as MPs. at least it's unlikely she'll be attending the HoL to collect a daily fee presently as many of the others do,

government has no agenda to privatise the NHS, on the contrary they're spending record amounts on it presently and have increased funding by more than inflation for the last 8yrs.

Really don't think Public Health England as constituted in March/April had the capacity to institute a track/trace system.
This NHS privatisation misinformation is a trope that is trotted out at every election...didn't get accepted by the electorate last time, well that's democracy for you...

Mikey B

think you are ill-advised to label Dido Harding 'a poor manager, on the basis of her CV.'
she might take exception to this and might be able to demonstrate, if necessary in a court of Law, that her management record has been adequate, or better and this would leave you rather vulnerable...
 
Mikey B you obviously have a political axe to grind,

everyone who becomes a baron/ess is given it after all,
Dido Harding may or may not deserve it any more than, for example, Ian Botham or any of the others and there are probably too many in the HoL as well as MPs. at least it's unlikely she'll be attending the HoL to collect a daily fee presently as many of the others do,

government has no agenda to privatise the NHS, on the contrary they're spending record amounts on it presently and have increased funding by more than inflation for the last 8yrs.

Really don't think Public Health England as constituted in March/April had the capacity to institute a track/trace system.
This NHS privatisation misinformation is a trope that is trotted out at every election...didn't get accepted by the electorate last time, well that's democracy for you...

Mikey B

think you are ill-advised to label Dido Harding 'a poor manager, on the basis of her CV.'
she might take exception to this and might be able to demonstrate, if necessary in a court of Law, that her management record has been adequate, or better and this would leave you rather vulnerable...

I don't have a political axe to grind. I'm not a member of, nor do I support any party in the English government. I agree with your comment about the likes of Ian Botham, it's a travesty of democracy, private patronage. Belongs in the middle ages. Along with the bishops who sit in the HoL. All C of E, no Catholics allowed since the Reformation. The House of Lords is by far the least democratic of any country that uses the two chamber model in law making.

And in case you hadn't noticed, the government insisted that all NHS services be put to open competition with any company that could prepare a bid. Jeremy Hunt has written a book on how a personal insurance scheme could be used to fund the NHS at the point of use. I'm sure that would thrill those on Universal Credit.

You may think the PHE couldn't institute a track and trace system. We will never know. What is certain is that their expertise and experience was never used to inform a larger system. It could hardly be any worse than that dreamed up by government, for sure.

I wouldn't argue with you that the amount spent by government has increased year on year. But it is patently not enough, outwith the coronavirus epidemic, as NHS hospital managers have constantly complained.

You are quoting, of course the government songbook. And you say I have a political axe to grind? Gizza break:D
 
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