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Horizon Tonight 9pm, BBC2

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I am just going to have a healthly calorie counted meal, not sure yet but will just weigh the food until it amounts to 500 so could be something like salmon or chicken with vegetables, potato maybe but will try and balance it out so that it is a healthy meal. During the day i am just going to try and stick to green tea (or any other herbal tea, i've just had a camomile tea) and water. It is easy for me to stick to this when i am at work but with it being Saturday tomorrow will be a different challenge but will see. It is now 12.31 pm and i still feel fine 🙂

How will you be tackling this?
 
Don't know yet. still thinking. It might have to wait until the tourist season is over.
 
carina62 said:
I am just going to have a healthly calorie counted meal, not sure yet but will just weigh the food until it amounts to 500 so could be something like salmon or chicken with vegetables, potato maybe but will try and balance it out so that it is a healthy meal. During the day i am just going to try and stick to green tea (or any other herbal tea, i've just had a camomile tea) and water. It is easy for me to stick to this when i am at work but with it being Saturday tomorrow will be a different challenge but will see. It is now 12.31 pm and i still feel fine 🙂

How will you be tackling this?
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Hi Carina,

I thought that the meal had to be eaten halfway through the day on the fasting day. The rationale behind this was that you had the same length of fasting each side of it.

I know that the presenter decided to settle for breakfast but he did not have full blown diabetes.

Please keep doing some extra testing as it was not specifically designed or researched for diabetics.
 
Yes, Cherrypie, i think i may be doing this wrong. I am going to have my 500 calorie meal at one sitting this evening but from the programme, Michael Mosely had his breakfast then his light evening meal so he did split. On the ADF (Alternative Day Fasting) i think it said the research showed that people who ate their main meal between 12noon-2pm on their Fast Day showed that they stuck with it better.

At the moment it is 3.10pm and i have just had fluids all day and will wait until 7pm tonight before i have my 500 calorie meal but not entirely sure how to do this for the best.
 
I have just watched this on I-player.
My conclusion was:- Eat smaller portions, eat non-processed food, no mention of exercise or life style!!
Diabetic life style:- eat smaller portions, eat non-processed food, exercise regularly (walking)!
We all know it works!
 
cherrypie said:
Hi Carina,

I thought that the meal had to be eaten halfway through the day on the fasting day. The rationale behind this was that you had the same length of fasting each side of it.

I know that the presenter decided to settle for breakfast but he did not have full blown diabetes.

Please keep doing some extra testing as it was not specifically designed or researched for diabetics.
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If you read the interview with Dr Vardy:
The whole reason we even put a time frame in there was to control for the fasting period. It would be a slightly different study if we allowed them to eat the lunch time 500 calorie meal throughout the day. Their bodies wouldn?t go into a fasting state. We picked 12:00 ? 2:00 because we wanted it to be right in the middle of the day. So they were waking up fasted and they basically had to wait a couple of hours until they could eat. If you give the calorie load in the middle of the day, it?s been shown to improve people?s work capacity. Whereas if you give them the meal right in the morning a lot of people will feel horrible by the middle of the day. It?s just from reading other fasting studies.
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It isn't supposed to work with more than one meal a day and the midday meal makes it the easiest to do.
 
Well, have managed Day 1 on a 500 calorie diet, Day 2 tomorrow, i have felt OK and at work i find it easy but not sure tomorrow while i'm at home but i'll try and keep busy. i'm still doing the SW Plan but i need a good kick start on the weight loss so am hoping this will work - will let you know how i get on.
 
Am on Day 1 of 'normal' eating after adopting the 5:2 shown in the programme. I am doing SW so will stick to the SW Plan on 5 days and count a 500 calorie meal on 2 days per week, i'll continue with the gym and walking although i think i will do this on the days when i am on normal eating rather than the 500 cals day. Am going to the gym today so will check the scales later 🙂

The main reason for me doing this is for losing weight initially although i will probably benefit from the health benefits as mentioned in the programme. I feel quite excited about it all as i think this will work for me 🙂
 
Hope it goes well for you Carina, and that you soon start to see good results 🙂
 
Good luck and well done on your first fast Corina, keep us updated.
 
After thinking about it, I have got some questions relating to this programme which i hope someone can answer them for me:-

1) When Dr Michael Mosely went on the ADF (alternate day fasting) programme, did he have his blood tests done for this? i don't think it mentioned this. I know that he had his tests done after he went on the strict 3 1/2 days of just solid fasting and everything had come down but i think they said that it would have to be part of a regular thing like fasting every 2 months or so which he said he would find very hard to keep up (and i don't blame him), but can't recall whether he had his blood tests results done after a period of time on the ADF. I also agreed with him that the ADF would be impractical.

2) whichever one you do, whether it's the ADF or the 5:2, it's not exactly fasting is it? you are still eating 500 (women) 600 (men) cals on the 'fast' days so i don't understand.

3) By not doing the ADF or the 5:2, would all the hard work be 'undone' ie would blood test results for blood pressure, cholesterol and the most important one mentioned in the programme IGF-1 all rise again if you stopped?

4) On his 'fast' days on the 5:2, he actually split his 600 cals by having a light breakfast and a light meal in the evening so his fasting was inbetween these meals on the day where he said he drank lots of black tea and water. Did he still get the health benefits from this? is it best to just eat the whole 500 or 600 cals in one sitting ie whether it be at lunchtime or as an evening meal?

Needless to say there are a lot of questions which i believe he said in the programme there is still research to be done on humans so when would the results come out? do they have to test on a certain number of people over a period of time before the medical profession approve results from clinical trials?
 
I didn't see the programme, but was interested to hear about it from my SIL. It struck me that it was perhaps in part just a return to a level of eating from an earlier time - I was struck by the 'Men Who Made Us Fat' series just how pervasive the food industry has been in making every minute of every day a 'sales opportunity' foodwise, with constant snacking etc a fixture of many people's lives.
 
carina62 said:
After thinking about it, I have got some questions relating to this programme which i hope someone can answer them for me:-

1) When Dr Michael Mosely went on the ADF (alternate day fasting) programme, did he have his blood tests done for this? i don't think it mentioned this. I know that he had his tests done after he went on the strict 3 1/2 days of just solid fasting and everything had come down but i think they said that it would have to be part of a regular thing like fasting every 2 months or so which he said he would find very hard to keep up (and i don't blame him), but can't recall whether he had his blood tests results done after a period of time on the ADF. I also agreed with him that the ADF would be impractical.

After his 3.5 day fast they did his IGF-1 test and compared it to the tests he had done in the UK before he left, so yes he was tested before.

His IGF-1 rose again when he didn't repeat the fasting period. He then went on to try the 500cal restricted ADF diet.


2) whichever one you do, whether it's the ADF or the 5:2, it's not exactly fasting is it? you are still eating 500 (women) 600 (men) cals on the 'fast' days so i don't understand.

No it's not strictly fasting but was based on experiments on mice. It's supposed to shock the body into working differently.

3) By not doing the ADF or the 5:2, would all the hard work be 'undone' ie would blood test results for blood pressure, cholesterol and the most important one mentioned in the programme IGF-1 all rise again if you stopped?

Yes it did with him.


4) On his 'fast' days on the 5:2, he actually split his 600 cals by having a light breakfast and a light meal in the evening so his fasting was inbetween these meals on the day where he said he drank lots of black tea and water. Did he still get the health benefits from this? is it best to just eat the whole 500 or 600 cals in one sitting ie whether it be at lunchtime or as an evening meal?

Dr Vardy said the middle of the day was best.


Needless to say there are a lot of questions which i believe he said in the programme there is still research to be done on humans so when would the results come out? do they have to test on a certain number of people over a period of time before the medical profession approve results from clinical trials?
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You have posted this same post here: [link removed and posts merged with original thread 🙂]
 
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sorry the reason i posted the questions on a separate thread is because my previous one may have been overlooked on the questions ie thinking that was the end of the conversation but i do have a few questions to raise but i will try and 'google' later on about it. Also, someone has suggested to me that i go on Twitter (i don't normally do Twitter so will be new to it) and 'Follow' Dr Michael Moseley and maybe get the answers of the man himself 🙂
 
Merged the new posts with the original thread to save duplication.
 
There are a few links to blogs related to the programme (under the heading 'Buzz') here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01lxyzc

Also has MM's twitter name. 🙂

Horizon used to produce some really good booklets related to their programmes, from Broadcasting Support Services, but it seems this hasn't happened for quite a few years.
 
thanks Northerner, your link has been really useful and i have been sharing questions with other followers 🙂
 
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