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Hi my names Brian I’m from Liverpool was diagnosed with type 2 yesterday! And a little overwhelmed to say the least been given metformin and a diet sheet and not much else. My journey began during lockdown I started to get lightheaded feelings like I have had a few beers but not drunk. got my heart checked bloods done all clear and fine but it went on, had tests for this that and the other nothing all organs functioning as they should all levels fine and so on . Then I started to need the toilet all night and extreme thirst so I read up and figured I may be diabetic but drs said my bloods where normal!! had a blood test done last week and told yesterday I have results of 53 which means I’m diabetic!

So a bit about me I’m a overweight 21stone 42 year old man, don’t get me wrong I’m not a slob I work a very active job heavy lifting back breaking work but not getting the heart rate up. So I’m always in pain but not getting much fitness benefits. But because of the pain caused by my job and my size I find exercise quite difficult and far from enjoyable

I’m not willing to sit back and let this illness control me I’m gonna control it and get fit and healthy but I don’t know where to start with my diet I am a very fussy person and there are lots of foods especially fruits and vegetables that I can not eat at all they make me vomit I have a real issue with textures of food hopefully you can help me figure this new journey out I know a lot of it will be changes to the way I think about exercise and diet but where to begin

sorry about the essay and thanks for reading
 
Hi Brian and welcome

No need to apologise for giving plenty of information. The more the better. So pleased to read that you are up for the challenge and have a positive mental attitiude towards tackling this. It will stand you in good stead.

Quite surprised that your HbA1c is relatively low when you were having such significant symptoms. The frequent trips to the loo and subsequent severe thirst usually occurs at much higher levels. Combined with the episodes of feeling light headed etc, I wonder if your Blood Glucose (BG) levels have been fluctuating in both directions (Reactive Hypoglycaemia) which would result in a lower HbA1c reading than expected, but that is just a guess without you having the ability to check BG levels when you were feeling wobbly.

Going to tackle the exercise first as that is the easy bit.... walking is one of the best forms of exercise if you are able, to help lower your levels and not put too much strain on your body. Try to keep a brisk pace (power walk rather than stroll) which means you have to breath a bit more deeply and start with 20 mins a day if you can and slowly build on it. Once you get fitter, look at lengthening it and incorporating hills or flights of steps etc but maintain or increase the pace. Getting a bit sweaty and out of breath is a good thing. People find an exercise bike can be really good too, especially when the weather is less pleasant.

As regards diet, carbohydrates are the problem, not just sugar and sweet stuff. Our digestive systems break down all carbs into glucose which is absorbed into the blood stream but then, as diabetics, we aren't able to metabolize it efficiently, so it gets stuck in our blood stream, which over time can cause problems with out fine blood vessels and nerves, particularly the eyes and feet. This is why we get regular checks on our eyes and feet.
Reducing the amount of carbohydrate (starchy and sugary foods) means that less glucose is going into our blood stream and therefore our bodies have a better chance of coping with it. Insulin is a hormone produced in the pancreas and is used to remove glucose from the blood stream into the cells where it is used for energy or stored as fat. With diabetes, the body either becomes resistant to that insulin and doesn't untilize it effectively or is unable to produce enough insulin to remove all the glucose and levels build up. The kidneys kick in when glucose levels reach a tipping point and start to work overtime to remove the glucose as a "fail safe" strategy which is why you need the loo and get thirsty, but if you are still putting the glucose into your blood stream by eating and drinking more carbs, it becomes a vicious cycle.

Not sure how much you know about nutrition but carbs are the starchy and sugary foods which are very easily broken down by the body.... All grain products are high in carbs, so bread, pasta, rice, couscous, breakfast cereals (including porridge) pastry and batter... basically anything made with grains/grain flour plus starchy and sweet root veg like potatoes, parsnips, sweet potato etc. Then of course the obvious sweet stuff with sugar in it but also syrup, honey and perhaps surprisingly fruit in all it's forms (fresh, frozen, dried or particularly juiced). Berries being the best choice of fruit as they are the lowest carb and try to limit the exotic fruits like bananas and pineapple and mango and be very careful of grapes as they can be very moreish.... small portions of just a few grapes if you are tempted.... so easy to eat a whole punnet of them without thinking!
Things which have no or very few carbs are meat, fish, eggs, cheese, full fat dairy, nuts, mushrooms, vegetables which grow at ground level like cabbage, kale, spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, salad etc.

You are looking to reduce the amount of foods you eat in the first list and increase those in the second. Reducing portion sizes is key but doing it in a slow sustainable way is best.

The alternative is to go for something like the Newcastle/ Fast 800 diet which involves a very low calorie restricted diet for 8-12 weeks to force your body to burn off visceral fat particularly around your liver and pancreas and this has shown effectiveness at pushing diabetes into remission for some people too, but you then have to maintain the weight loss to maintain the benefit which can prove challenging for many people... I think a lot of people have spent their lives YoYo dieting, so it depends which approach you feel is best for the type of person you are. Both are known to be effective.

For me eating low carb is now something which I enjoy but there is a difficult period of readjustment as we have spend all our lives filling our plates up with carbs like bread and potatoes and pasta. I no longer miss those things and I really enjoy my food now but it was hard at first. That said, I would also find a very calorie restricted diet difficult and I know I would put the weight back on afterwards, so a low carbohydrate, higher fat way of eating works for me and I get my energy from fat instead of carbs. The great thing about fat is that it keeps you feeling full for longer, so no cravings or hunger pangs and provides steady slow release energy without putting glucose into your blood stream..... Not talking about eating lard but I have cream in my coffee on a morning and cheese whenever I fancy it and I cook my veggies with a knob of butter or cream cheese and I have full fat mayonnaise on my salads and fatty cuts of meat like lamb chops and belly pork and rib-eye steak.... but no chips or baked potatoes, just salad and a big dollop of cheese coleslaw or a big plate of veggies with them.

Anyway, I have waffled on far too much, but hopefully you get the picture. It helps to keep a brutally honest food and drink diary so that you can see where you can start shaving off a few carb rich foods here and there, so maybe one less Yorkshire pudding and one less roast potato on your plate but more veg and meat. Have a cooked breakfast with just half a slice of bread instead of toast or cereal for breakfast. Small sustainable changes are key. Finding low carb foods which you enjoy will help enormously.

If you wan to post the sort of things you currently eat and drink for breakfast lunch and evening meal, we could give suggestions for swaps/alternatives which would be more diabetes friendly.
 
Hi my names Brian I’m from Liverpool was diagnosed with type 2 yesterday! And a little overwhelmed to say the least been given metformin and a diet sheet and not much else. My journey began during lockdown I started to get lightheaded feelings like I have had a few beers but not drunk. got my heart checked bloods done all clear and fine but it went on, had tests for this that and the other nothing all organs functioning as they should all levels fine and so on . Then I started to need the toilet all night and extreme thirst so I read up and figured I may be diabetic but drs said my bloods where normal!! had a blood test done last week and told yesterday I have results of 53 which means I’m diabetic!

So a bit about me I’m a overweight 21stone 42 year old man, don’t get me wrong I’m not a slob I work a very active job heavy lifting back breaking work but not getting the heart rate up. So I’m always in pain but not getting much fitness benefits. But because of the pain caused by my job and my size I find exercise quite difficult and far from enjoyable

I’m not willing to sit back and let this illness control me I’m gonna control it and get fit and healthy but I don’t know where to start with my diet I am a very fussy person and there are lots of foods especially fruits and vegetables that I can not eat at all they make me vomit I have a real issue with textures of food hopefully you can help me figure this new journey out I know a lot of it will be changes to the way I think about exercise and diet but where to begin

sorry about the essay and thanks for reading
Hi Brian, I’m new to the site too. My diagnoses came as a shock too because I thought I was in good shape lol. Im 44, Currently I’m treated as a type 1 but I’m currently on no meds or insulin and am controlling entirely through diet at exercise so could be type 2.My hba1c was similar number to yours and isn’t actually too bad. With some dedication you can easily bring this down. You say you are a picky eater when it comes to veggies and stuff, have you thought off getting a soup maker? Just Chuck it all in and somehow it always tastes nice and then you don’t have to deal with weird textures. Also an omelette maker is a great addition. Hunger can be a real problem on low carb so I make homemade peanut bars which I carry with me. Walking after meals is a massive help. The guys on here are great and you will learn loads. Wishing you lots of luck you sound determined !
 
Thanks for the reply it’s very much appreciated my diet sheet from my Drs is the mail cause of my confusion as the fist part is telling me to eat all them carbs at every mean I have attacked a picture. I am quite good at understanding nutrition but food has always been a issue for me.

I generally don’t eat breakfast at all and if I do it’s more of a brunch and it’s usually a bacon barn or something like that.

lunch over recent years has been my main issue I like a pasty sausage roll or a sandwich and a nice cake or 2 and carbonated fizzy drinks I did cut out all full sugar versions a long time ago my drink of choice is Pepsi max

dinner I tend to have a lot of carbs. I love fish like cod haddock and tuna which I know are all good but I tend to bulk my meals up with potato’s rice and pasta. I don’t really eat fried foods or frozen foods. chicken is my my favourite meat red meat does not agree with me very well as I have IBS but I’m partial to a bit of beef and lamb. Vegetables I only really like 2 broccoli and cauliflower which are good I can eat carrots and much peas but that’s about it fruits I only like banana and apples. My fav meals are tuna steak and boiled egg on whole meal toast and chicken tikka masala

question I have is whole grain options brown pasta, rice and bread a viable alternative or are they still bad for me
 
There is the drs advice sheet
 

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Hi Brian, I’m new to the site too. My diagnoses came as a shock too because I thought I was in good shape lol. Im 44, Currently I’m treated as a type 1 but I’m currently on no meds or insulin and am controlling entirely through diet at exercise so could be type 2.My hba1c was similar number to yours and isn’t actually too bad. With some dedication you can easily bring this down. You say you are a picky eater when it comes to veggies and stuff, have you thought off getting a soup maker? Just Chuck it all in and somehow it always tastes nice and then you don’t have to deal with weird textures. Also an omelette maker is a great addition. Hunger can be a real problem on low carb so I make homemade peanut bars which I carry with me. Walking after meals is a massive help. The guys on here are great and you will learn loads. Wishing you lots of luck you sound determined !
Thanks I am very determined I want to live a full life I know I should have taken steps before I developed it but we live and learn. I do have soup quite often I use a pressure cooker to make it and I love it I also have a omelette maker I like a nice omelette replacing carbs in my diet is going to be a nightmare but I will get there once I’m not so confused thanks again
 
Thanks I am very determined I want to live a full life I know I should have taken steps before I developed it but we live and learn. I do have soup quite often I use a pressure cooker to make it and I love it I also have a omelette maker I like a nice omelette replacing carbs in my diet is going to be a nightmare but I will get there once I’m not so confused thanks again
Your welcome. Cutting the carbs is the hardest part. I noticed your other post you mentioned bananas … These spike me more than bread! But everyone is different so testing testing testing after everything if you have a meter? Don’t worry if you feel exhausted to start with it will get better.
 
Your welcome. Cutting the carbs is the hardest part. I noticed your other post you mentioned bananas … These spike me more than bread! But everyone is different so testing testing testing after everything if you have a meter? Don’t worry if you feel exhausted to start with it will get better.
I love bananas they are my fav fruit so gonna be tough the testing meter is another thing confusing me I have seen them for £20 or £150 I don’t know what’s best what to buy read the reviews some good others saying not accurate and I don’t know what to do searching reviews at the min for testers
 
There is the drs advice sheet
I actually swore when I read that diet sheet - I used mine to light the barbecue the day after diagnosis.
As a type two diabetic carbohydrates, the sugar and starch, are what is causing the problem.
Nothing else, not fat, not salt, and not fasting.

I use a blood glucose meter from Spirit Healthcare, the Tee 2+. It is not expensive and is cheap to use, which is the main thing. They are a UK firm so you can sign up on their website, and they send an email to get confirmation of a diabetes diagnosis, then you can order the mater and strips (and I buy lancets too as I am a musician and only use the same lancet for 24 hours) and get them free of VAT.
 
I'm with @Drummer there, with dietary information like that no wonder we have a diabetes epidemic with people being put on more and more medication to get their levels down. Clearly some surgeries are behind the times giving out that sort of C... advice. There has been some recognition by some more enlightened Doctors who have now realised that low carbohydrate and not low fat is the way to manage both blood glucose levels and weight loss.
There is quite a lot of validated scientific evidence to back up the theories being publicised in the press and in programs like Trust me I'm a Doctor and similar.
I concur that getting a blood glucose monitor and establishing a testing regime so you can see the effect of various meals and food on your blood glucose levels. You will probably see that those high carbohydrate foods are more than your body can tolerate and portion control will be crucial. An alternative to the one mentioned is the GlucoNavil which can be bought from Amazon inexpensive but reliable. Whichever to chose you should buy extra strips as you only get a few in the kit and also lancets though they can be reused. You do not need to pay VAT.
Keeping a food diary noting down everything you eat and drink with quantities and try to see how much carb you are currently having will help you see where savings can be make but either cutting things out or reducing portion size.
The book or app Carbs and Cals, Nutracheck, the internet or food packets are the place to look for total carbohydrate content.
It sounds like you have some great kitchen gadgets to help with some low carb meals.
 
Hi @Brian12388, that was very much like the diet sheets I got from my GP when first diagnosed and woefully ignorant. I loved it at first - jacket spuds, pasta, bread, what's not to like? It wasn't until I came across this site that I began to learn about starchy carbs properly.

Good advice already given so I won't repeat it. I'll just say welcome to the forum, ask any questions you like, have a read around the various sections and join in!
 
@Drummer thanks mate much appreciated I will take a look at that tester. That was why I’m so confused they actually say this is the recommendation for diet from Diabetes UK.

@Leadinglights thanks mate I will take a look at that tester and great advice to I have a food diary I’m starting today much appreciated
 
Hi Brian12388, welcome to the site.

Sounds like you've had a bit of a shock but you're getting a handle on things which is the most important aspect. It might be worth writing a list of what you do enjoy and then meal planning the lowest carb and sugar options from that.

Take it a step at a time and improve as you go along. The good thing is that your numbers are relatively low atm so with dedication and consistency, you can turn things around.

Re the blood glucose meter, the SD Gluco Navii or the Spirit Tee2 are recommended quite a bit on the site so worth looking into. The core functions of all of them are the same, the difference might be the additional functions like syncing your data via bluetooth and the costs of the testing strips which is an ongoing expense.

If there's anything in particular we can help with, do let us know.
 
I’m not willing to sit back and let this illness control me I’m gonna control it and get fit and healthy but I don’t know where to start with my diet I am a very fussy person and there are lots of foods especially fruits and vegetables that I can not eat at all they make me vomit I have a real issue with textures of food hopefully you can help me figure this new journey out I know a lot of it will be changes to the way I think about exercise and diet but where to begin

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis @Brian12388 - but great to hear your determination.

You aren’t the first to have expressed these feelings, many people on the forum later reflect that their diagnosis became a catalyst which prompted them to make positive changes towards a healthier and more active life. Perhaps changes that they had been intending to make for years, and after some months they feel ’healthier’ and fitter than they have for a long time.

Often you don’t realise how weary, worn down and lethargic you have been feeling. Erratic and elevated blood glucose levels can be exhausting and are linked with low mood, but this may have come on quite gradually. Making a few positive changes can give you more energy, a clearer mind, and a brighter outlook. Plus the regular checks you get after a diagnosis with diabetes mean that any potential problems may be spotted earlier, and can be sorted out sooner.

The good news is that with an HbA1c of 53mmol/mol you aren’t far over the diagnosis threshold (48), so you may only need a few modest tweaks to your diet - which might make things a little easier with your sensitive palette.

It might be really helpful for you to just start where you are, and keep a ruthlessly honest food diary for a week or two. Everything you eat and drink, including working out a reasonable estimate of the total carbohydrate content of meals and snacks. This will involve a bit of packet-squinting and head scratching, but is a great way of beginning to get your head around where the carbs are in the foods you like, and which are low or no carb that you can eat more freely, and use as ‘filler’ where you are reducing carb portions.

It will also highlight how much any snacks are contributing to your overall carb intake - which might prompt some swaps and changes (or simply avoiding them) to reduce the pressure on your metabolism.

Keep us posted with how things are going 🙂
 
Yup I agree with all the above.

Keeping a food diary and testing seems to be key to gaining success.

I use a Tee2 tester from Spirit healthcare like many on this site. It is not expensive.

It's a journey of discovery about you and your obvious determination and directly facing up to it all will help you greatly.

Good luck
 
Welcome to the forum @Brian12388

Glad that you have found the forum, and you have already had a lot of advice.

I can understand the confusion over the advice given by many doctors/nurses that those with T2 don’t need to test. However so many here describe how they have successfully used them to find out how specific foods impact their glucose levels, and have used this information to make adjustments to their diet and portion sizes. The important thing to check with choosing a meter is the ongoing cost of the test strips.

Whatever your experiences just keep in touch and keep the questions coming. As you have already seen there is plenty of experience to tap into.
 
Thank you everyone you have all made me feel so much better, I am determined I have always been a hard worker and a big guy but the older I get the harder it is. before my diagnoses I was already making dietary changes because I knew before hand, I have a little bit of medical anxiety so any changes in my body and how I feel I pick up on them straight away! But carbs where still a big part of my diet a bit of adjusting and I will get this.

I have ordered the sd gluco navii it is coming today and 100 test strips because it was the quickest abs easiest to get from the recommendations so thanks I’m sure I will have plenty more questions in other parts of the forum and look forward to getting to know you all thanks again it really is very much appreciated hope I can help others some day
 
@Brian12388 I think that diet sheet you got is for Type 1 diabetics who need carbs to balance the insulin they are taking.
Type 2 diabetics like me do best on low carbs and some of us only eat 1 or 2 meals per day.

For overweight people (or even normal weight ones like me) it makes no sense to eat when you are not hungry. On a Low Carb way of eating I put my T2 diabetes into remission, lost 2 stone in weight and got fat adapted so my body can burn fat stores when it needs to. This means I can go for longer periods without loss of energy and without feeling hungry, so I eat 2 meals per day during the week but only 1 meal per day over the weekends.
 
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